Avenger Upgrades

[Promestein]

Here's the relevant clip.

Avenger trades blows with Saber for a while, and though Saber is noted to be purposefully on the defensive to see how his tactics will play out, the fact that he's even capable of fighting against Saber at all means that he should somewhat scale, but just with Tawrich and Zarich, one of which catches a serious slash from Excalibur meant to kill him and end the battle. Of course, they're both immediately shattered by a Mana Burst right after, but they should scale to a non-enhanced slash.

In this clip, Avenger also apparently boosts his speed over a hundredfold times, when he had been striking three to four times for each of Saber's attacks at the beginning, but Saber still easily keeps up and lethally injures him, so. Either way, the speed and strength boost noted as Avenger pushing himself past his limits is almost certainly Murderous Instinct.

In this clip, Verg Avesta is also stated to reflect wounds onto the soul. So.

So, I think that Avenger's stats should be changed to:

• Wall level physically, at least City level+ with Tawrich and Zarich / Murderous Instinct.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I can believe it.

 

[Reppuzan]

I'm pretty sure he says he can stall against a Servant, but he'd never be able to beat another Servant one-on-one. I'm fine with this.

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

I'm fine with this.

 

[Promestein]

If everyone's good with this I'll go ahead and make the changes.

 

[Promestein]

Done

 

[Promestein]

Aaaaaaaand another Avenger thing; his rebirth as a Servant following the destruction of the Grail in stay/night, from his spiritual form.

Low-Godly regen, but I'd say this is only for him while he's the Grail, and it regenerates him as his Servant self over time, so... not very useful, but it's there. Maybe it also applies to his Servant self but it's still over time.

 

[Reppuzan]

I'd say sure, but it won't apply to his Servant form, only his true form as Angra Mainyu/Beast/Holy Grail Mud.

 

[Promestein]

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Beast?

 

[Reppuzan]

@Prom

At least one version of him is Beast VI if I remember correctly.

 

[Promestein]

Oh, neat.

 

[NotEvenHuman]

No, Beast VI is the Beast of Revelations, not Angra. It is split in two, but i seriously doubt one of the halfs will be him. It would be extremely contradictory.

 

[Promestein]

Shrugs.

Thoughts on the Regenerationn thing, NEH?

 

[Reppuzan]

@NEH

I must have been thinking of Angra's monster form them.

 

[NotEvenHuman]

I haven't played Hollow Ataraxia yet, so i could be wrong, but from what i know it seems legit. We can't really know if it applies to his Servant self though, since he never stays alive long enough to regenerate.

 

[Promestein]

From what I know, he was only able to do it thanks to the power of the Grail, so it's probably just the Grail only.

 

[NotEvenHuman]

@Reppu You mean the real Angra? I guess he could be a Beast, but afaik there's no indication of it.

 

[Promestein]

Bump

 

[Reppuzan]

Unless Ram and Kami feel like commenting, I'm pretty sure this will be nearly all of the input we're going to get on this.

 

[Promestein]

Yeah, true.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

While we're here, should Avenger get Death Manipulation as Black Iri? Her Song of Grail NP in F/GO has a chance of causing instant death.

 

[Promestein]

Yeah, that'd go to Grail Angra, I guess.

... He should probably scale to other feats from Grails in F/GO and stuff.