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So the last thread relating to Pacific Rim downgraded the high tiers from 7-B to Low 7-B. However, I have found evidence that they should scale higher than this.
In Pacific Rim: Uprising (yes, that movie does exist unfortunately) the kaiju Crabcakes is capable of briefly resisting a beam that can open a Breach which an accepted calculation showed to be about 4.1333676e+19 joules or 9.87898565966 gigatons of tnt (6-C, Island level). Crabcakes is stated by Steven S Deknight (director of Pacific Rim Uprising) to be either a Category 4 or 5 kaiju (According to the official board game Breachfall however, he is a Category 2 kaiju called Tyron). This is consistent with this accepted calc showing that Slattern tanked 2.464 Gigatons (Large Mountain level) from the nuke at the end of the first movie. Whilst the nuke is said to be 1.2Mt in the movie and that was agreed last thread, what wasn’t taken into account was two factors. Firstly, the bomb detonated over the Breach, which is stated to be radioactive by the official novel Pacific rim uprising ascension and the official Uprising artbook. Whilst Raleigh’s death has since been retconned, I think it’s fair to say that the writers of the movies considered the Breach to be radioactive, otherwise they could’ve just said that Raleigh died in a training accident or was assassinated by Newt. Secondly, the last thread failed to account for the fact that apparently a kilogram in Pacific Rim is defined as the mass of 1 litre of osmium (or 22.5kg in our world). This is backed up by a statement from Guillermo Del Toro that 1 ton in Pacific Rim is equal to 30 tons (translation) in our world (thanks to @Neutralino for finding that). This would make the yield of the bomb 27-36 Megatons of TNT (City Level) and that’s without even accounting for the Breach’s radioactivity.
Therefore, I am proposing that Category 5+ kaiju (e.g. Slattern, Mega-Kaiju) and all who scale to them (e.g. Gipsy Avenger, Striker Eureka’s swords, Gipsy Danger’s swords and Striker’s self destruction when detonated above the Breach) should be buffed to 6-C by scaling off of Crabcakes. Both Striker Eureka’s normal self destruction (not the one in the movie as that occurred over the radioactive breach, likely making it more energetic) and Gipsy Danger’s self destruction should be around 27-36 megatons of TNT (City level) by scaling to 22.5-30 times the 1.2 megatons stated in the film (due to the previously stated Pacific Rim mass rules).
Edit: It’s been agreed that only Post-Uprising kaiju should scale to the 6-C calc (only what Crabcakes took, not the energy per second) as Uprising kaiju are stated to be superior to PR1 kaiju. Additionally, in Pacific Rim: The Black whilst Apex can kill Slatterns, he ends up being mortally wounded by Boy, who was previously defeated by the Category IV Copperhead. The Pacific Rim 1 high tiers scale to the nuke which is either 7-B or High 7-A. The radioactivity of the Breach would likely have no effect on the yield of the bomb but the yield of the nuke may have been underestimated in universe like Castle Bravo, possibly explaining why the explosion was so much bigger than it should’ve been. If that’s not agreed with though, the bomb would still be 7-B due to above reasoning. Current proposals are
Striker Eureka’s self-destruction and all who scale to him: 7-B/High 7-A (Gipsy Danger (nuclear vortex, swords and self-destruction), Striker Eureka (Sting Blades and self-destruction) and Slattern)
Uprising era Jaegers and Kaiju: 6-C (Mega-Kaiju, Raijin, Shrikethorn, Hakuja, Gipsy Avenger, Obsidian Fury, Saber Athena, Bracer Phoenix, Guardian Bravo, Drone Jaegers, Atlas Destroyer, Striker Berserker, Hunter Vertigo, Apex, Acidquill, Trespasser “Lucy”, Bonespur, Boy (kaiju form), Hybrid Kaiju, Copperhead, Breacher etc)
All Pacific Rim Category IVs and below stay where they are and so do the Jaegers who scale to them.
Edit 2: The Travis Beacham tweet is fake, it actually says this so I think we should only use the Guillermo Del Toro value
Agree: @DarkDragonMedeus @AbaddonTheDisappointment
Disagree:
Neutral:
In Pacific Rim: Uprising (yes, that movie does exist unfortunately) the kaiju Crabcakes is capable of briefly resisting a beam that can open a Breach which an accepted calculation showed to be about 4.1333676e+19 joules or 9.87898565966 gigatons of tnt (6-C, Island level). Crabcakes is stated by Steven S Deknight (director of Pacific Rim Uprising) to be either a Category 4 or 5 kaiju (According to the official board game Breachfall however, he is a Category 2 kaiju called Tyron). This is consistent with this accepted calc showing that Slattern tanked 2.464 Gigatons (Large Mountain level) from the nuke at the end of the first movie. Whilst the nuke is said to be 1.2Mt in the movie and that was agreed last thread, what wasn’t taken into account was two factors. Firstly, the bomb detonated over the Breach, which is stated to be radioactive by the official novel Pacific rim uprising ascension and the official Uprising artbook. Whilst Raleigh’s death has since been retconned, I think it’s fair to say that the writers of the movies considered the Breach to be radioactive, otherwise they could’ve just said that Raleigh died in a training accident or was assassinated by Newt. Secondly, the last thread failed to account for the fact that apparently a kilogram in Pacific Rim is defined as the mass of 1 litre of osmium (or 22.5kg in our world). This is backed up by a statement from Guillermo Del Toro that 1 ton in Pacific Rim is equal to 30 tons (translation) in our world (thanks to @Neutralino for finding that). This would make the yield of the bomb 27-36 Megatons of TNT (City Level) and that’s without even accounting for the Breach’s radioactivity.
Therefore, I am proposing that Category 5+ kaiju (e.g. Slattern, Mega-Kaiju) and all who scale to them (e.g. Gipsy Avenger, Striker Eureka’s swords, Gipsy Danger’s swords and Striker’s self destruction when detonated above the Breach) should be buffed to 6-C by scaling off of Crabcakes. Both Striker Eureka’s normal self destruction (not the one in the movie as that occurred over the radioactive breach, likely making it more energetic) and Gipsy Danger’s self destruction should be around 27-36 megatons of TNT (City level) by scaling to 22.5-30 times the 1.2 megatons stated in the film (due to the previously stated Pacific Rim mass rules).
Edit: It’s been agreed that only Post-Uprising kaiju should scale to the 6-C calc (only what Crabcakes took, not the energy per second) as Uprising kaiju are stated to be superior to PR1 kaiju. Additionally, in Pacific Rim: The Black whilst Apex can kill Slatterns, he ends up being mortally wounded by Boy, who was previously defeated by the Category IV Copperhead. The Pacific Rim 1 high tiers scale to the nuke which is either 7-B or High 7-A. The radioactivity of the Breach would likely have no effect on the yield of the bomb but the yield of the nuke may have been underestimated in universe like Castle Bravo, possibly explaining why the explosion was so much bigger than it should’ve been. If that’s not agreed with though, the bomb would still be 7-B due to above reasoning. Current proposals are
Striker Eureka’s self-destruction and all who scale to him: 7-B/High 7-A (Gipsy Danger (nuclear vortex, swords and self-destruction), Striker Eureka (Sting Blades and self-destruction) and Slattern)
Uprising era Jaegers and Kaiju: 6-C (Mega-Kaiju, Raijin, Shrikethorn, Hakuja, Gipsy Avenger, Obsidian Fury, Saber Athena, Bracer Phoenix, Guardian Bravo, Drone Jaegers, Atlas Destroyer, Striker Berserker, Hunter Vertigo, Apex, Acidquill, Trespasser “Lucy”, Bonespur, Boy (kaiju form), Hybrid Kaiju, Copperhead, Breacher etc)
All Pacific Rim Category IVs and below stay where they are and so do the Jaegers who scale to them.
Edit 2: The Travis Beacham tweet is fake, it actually says this so I think we should only use the Guillermo Del Toro value
Agree: @DarkDragonMedeus @AbaddonTheDisappointment
Disagree:
Neutral:
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