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In addition, I do not know if it uses the same average speed for lightning as we do? The calculation might have to be somewhat modified in a blog post.
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Avatar and Lightning Redirection
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That feat has two issues. One's lightning from bending, another one is cinematic timing. DontTalk is our expert on both these fields, we would need to have the calc approved at firstAntvasima said:
Even then as you said, Avatar characters are consistently much slower than that feat, so that has to be taken into account as well
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Well, you can check out the rules page that DontTalk wrote concerning Cinematic Time. I haven't had the time, focus, and energy to sit down and understand it properly yet though.
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As I said, if you and Faisal want proof that lightningbending has similar properties to natural lightning, here's Mako frying Ming Hua in Legend of Korra: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZwTjfFnBVYLordAizenSama said:
And according to this, Republic City is powered by lightningbending. The lightning is even stored in batteries, like natural electricity: http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Republic_City_power_plant
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There was only 1 instance of dodging real lightning,when Iroh was looking at it where his hands were already up.All other is artifical lightning created by bender.
Even if it was right,it would be outlier,beacuse that wouldnt put few characters at that speed,it would put eveey relevant character and therir mother at similiar speeds?And then you have huge jump for whole verse based on 1 feat.
And nornal people were able to see Zuko's moves aswell as Iroh's just fine.
So,no,they stay where they are
Even if it was right,it would be outlier,beacuse that wouldnt put few characters at that speed,it would put eveey relevant character and therir mother at similiar speeds?And then you have huge jump for whole verse based on 1 feat.
And nornal people were able to see Zuko's moves aswell as Iroh's just fine.
So,no,they stay where they are
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What about the 20,000 shinobi that participated in the Shinobi war?Antvasima said:
Or the countless thousands of people who have watched fights *without even having powers to begin with*, like the civilians during the Kohona Crush, the Gaara Retrieval Arc, etc.
I feel like other verses have been upgraded for less.
Enel and Nami are from One Piece. Enel is a logia devil fruit user who can turn his entire body into lightning. However we don't use Enel's lightning as real lightning for combat, nor we use Kizaru's (a light devil fruit user) laser beam as real light. Otherwise Zoro would be FTL Pre Timeskip if we take Oda's words for granted. We use the same standard for every verse, I'm failry certain Lightning bending in Avatar is the same as Enel's lightning boltsFaisal Shourov said:
This is very interesting information that I'm going to bring up very soon. Is there a page that explains this policy in detail?
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Okay no.
1) The reason Avatar wasn't upgraded was because there used to only be one lightning calc that was Cloud to Ground and it was Iroh's. It is somewhat considered an outlier, as no similar speedfeats are shown in the verse itself (up until Aang and Azula)
2) The burden of proof is not on the wiki to prove that the lightning is not actual lightning, it is on the people who wish to edit this wiki to prove that the lightning is real. Just because there is polarity involved in avatar's explanation of lightning does not mean it is actual lightning. Furthermore, lightning is essentially plasma - channeling plasma through your body is a pretty bad idea and non-consistent with how firebenders utilize their own heat. So no, the burden of proof for bending lightning from the body=actual lightning is nowhere close to met. You can say it is electricity maybe, but not lightning.
3) I need to look at the Azula lightning calc a bit more before I decide on this topic. I think there is an iroh one hanging around and the two together may be enough to warrant a hypersonic upgrade, just not a HHS or MHS upgrade in the least.
1) The reason Avatar wasn't upgraded was because there used to only be one lightning calc that was Cloud to Ground and it was Iroh's. It is somewhat considered an outlier, as no similar speedfeats are shown in the verse itself (up until Aang and Azula)
2) The burden of proof is not on the wiki to prove that the lightning is not actual lightning, it is on the people who wish to edit this wiki to prove that the lightning is real. Just because there is polarity involved in avatar's explanation of lightning does not mean it is actual lightning. Furthermore, lightning is essentially plasma - channeling plasma through your body is a pretty bad idea and non-consistent with how firebenders utilize their own heat. So no, the burden of proof for bending lightning from the body=actual lightning is nowhere close to met. You can say it is electricity maybe, but not lightning.
3) I need to look at the Azula lightning calc a bit more before I decide on this topic. I think there is an iroh one hanging around and the two together may be enough to warrant a hypersonic upgrade, just not a HHS or MHS upgrade in the least.
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well, by our calcs for lightning it would be 440,000 metres a second instead of the OBDs 150,000
However it still wouldn't even be supersonic. it is indeed worthless.
However it still wouldn't even be supersonic. it is indeed worthless.
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yeah... I made a thread about thatLordAizenSama said:
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You do know 440,000m/s=984,252 mph, rightLordAizenSama said:
http://www.metric-conversions.org/speed/meters-per-second-to-miles-per-hour.htm
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Proof?Alakabamm said:
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Really now?A DB Fan named Jake said:
You need proof for common logic ,well then i should give you proof.
Simple example
Lightning falls towards character A at 200,000 m/s
Character A starts moving when lightning is 1 km (= 1000 m) away from him
Time it takes for the lightning to reach him = Distance / Speed = 1000 / 200000 = 0.005 sec
Distance Character A moved during that time = 2 m
Speed = Distance / Time = 2 / 0.005 = 400 m/s
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I agree with this.
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https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Lightning_dodging_featsLittle Jackie Papercut said:
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So, should we use the Narutoforum calculatio to upgrade the characters (adjusted for that we use a different average lightning speed standard of 440000 m/s)? Or should we consider it as an outlier?
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Well doing a quick plug & chug with the 440,000 m/s:
Cloud -> Groud
2000m = d
we'll say he moved his arms about a meter.
440 km/s is the average speed of lightning here, that's 440,000 m/s
t= d/v = 2000m/440000m/s
you get the timeframe to be 0.0045s
1m / .0045s = 222.22 m/s
so yea lol
Cloud -> Groud
2000m = d
we'll say he moved his arms about a meter.
440 km/s is the average speed of lightning here, that's 440,000 m/s
t= d/v = 2000m/440000m/s
you get the timeframe to be 0.0045s
1m / .0045s = 222.22 m/s
so yea lol
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I think currently most are rated SubSonic+ (whether it's because of this feat or something else, I am not sure) if we said this was a outlier I have no idea where that would put them
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Faster than wind? I dunno.LordAizenSama said:
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^i think at some point katara reacted to a crossbow arrow fired at her..maybe, that would make them peak human, maybe low-superhuman reaction speed at most 
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@LAS Okay. Then we do not have to rescale them. We can simply insert a link to the calculation in Iroh's page, and note that we are making an adjustment to 440000 m/s to scale upwards 2.93 times.
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They are rated as such because of the feat you are discussing.LordAizenSama said:
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Whether it's considered a outlier or not i'm honestly not sure, i'd be interested in seeing what people think
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Okay. The speed isn't particularly extreme though. And as somebody mentioned earlier, given this, there are various other franchises that the "massively hypersonic average citizens" inconsistency would apply much better to. So perhaps we should attempt to treat the Avatar series more fairly in this sense?
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that sounds fine to me, in that case I don't think theres anything else to discuss in this thread then
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Then why Aang is supersonic?
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it's probably his Avatar form, there should be two keys for his speed there, Sub-Sonic+ and Supersonic (if i remember correctly he was moving at supersonic speeds versus Ozai in avatar state)
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^that is probably better. I'll change it to that then.
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Upgrade thread causing downgrade, not surprised
I agree with the latest calc
I agree with the latest calc
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I cannot recall perfectly if he did so I may be wrong,to be on the safeside At least Subsonic+ is probably better unless anyone has a calc for aang
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