Austin Theory (WWE) vs Euntae Lee (Lookism)

[RandomGuy2345]

You know an Austin Theory match was coming after he got AD.

Anyways, got some help from @CoreOfimBalance(COB) to make this match a thing. Hopefully it goes well.

Austin Theory (WWE) vs Euntae Lee (Lookism)

Post-Timeskip Lee will be used (for obvious reasons).

Speed is equalized.

Fight takes place at the Chūnin Exams.

Austin Theory:

Euntae Lee:

Inconclusive: 3 (Core, Cima, Random)

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Austin Theory: 2.84 Megajoules, higher with Ataxia, ATL, and A-Town Down

Euntae Lee: 2.16 or 3.6 Megajoules (don't really know lmfao).

So Theory either holds a ~1.3x AP advantage, or Lee holds a ~1.28x AP advantage.

Both are negligible, so no issues for the AP of this match.

 

[Shmooply]

"yea i think austin taking selfies is cringe"
proceeds to use image of him doing a selfie

Boy.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Boy.

I can easily tolerate someone taking a selfie.

There is so much worse you can do.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Boy.

Does this look better for you?

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Lol.

And nice nice. I never did clarify the AP when I talked to you lol. But yeah Vasco here is easily higher than 3.6 (Hudson's feat). I'm unsure if he can be scaled to Taesoo's 7.3 (Just realized it) but I don't think it'll affect the match too bad.

Anyway how good is Austin's Accelerated Development? Is it something that triggers in combat? That and power mimicry is giving him a very solid advantage against Vasco. Vasco here doesn't have quite the adapt to the enemy abilities like most of his fellow PTJ characters.

Vasco also is more prone to using his strongest moves right off the bat so he might get some nasty hits in early.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

And nice nice. I never did clarify the AP when I talked to you lol. But yeah Vasco here is easily higher than 3.6 (Hudson's feat). I'm unsure if he can be scaled to Taesoo's 7.3 (Just realized it) but I don't think it'll affect the match too bad.

Depending on how skilled Vasco is, him being 7.3 MJ could potentially be a detriment (it's an over 2x advantage).

But for now, I think it's safe to say that Vasco upscales from 3.6 MJ, which would make him have a >1.28x AP advantage on Theory, which isn't big at all.

Anyway how good is Austin's Accelerated Development? Is it something that triggers in combat? That and power mimicry is giving him a very solid advantage against Vasco. Vasco here doesn't have quite the adapt to the enemy abilities like most of his fellow PTJ characters.

Theory's Accelerated Development triggers when the opponent he's facing is more skilled/experienced than him.

In his match against Johnny Gargano, he ent from getting stomped by Johnny Gargano to the point where he was called "predictable" to slowly finding ways to adapt throughout the fight, even finding ways to quickly counter moves that originally caught him off guard. He basically matched Gargano in skill as the fight went on.

Keep in mind that Theory's AD only starts to kick when he's facing a guy who's more skilled than him.

Power Mimicry isn't anything special. He can copy basic martial art moves.

Vasco also is more prone to using his strongest moves right off the bat so he might get some nasty hits in early.

That will definitely give him the advantage early on in the fight.

 

[LaserPrecision]

But yeah Vasco here is easily higher than 3.6 (Hudson's feat)

How much do they upscale from the 3.6 feat?

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

How much do they upscale from the 3.6 feat?

Kinda a single upscale only for this version, so not too high

 

[azontr]

Yu's victims.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Yu's victims.

I can't believe you'd go and bully Austin like that smh

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Yu's victims.

I can't believe you'd go and bully Austin like that smh

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Depending on how skilled Vasco is, him being 7.3 MJ could potentially be a detriment (it's an over 2x advantage).

But for now, I think it's safe to say that Vasco upscales from 3.6 MJ, which would make him have a >1.28x AP advantage on Theory, which isn't big at all.


Theory's Accelerated Development triggers when the opponent he's facing is more skilled/experienced than him.

In his match against Johnny Gargano, he ent from getting stomped by Johnny Gargano to the point where he was called "predictable" to slowly finding ways to adapt throughout the fight, even finding ways to quickly counter moves that originally caught him off guard. He basically matched Gargano in skill as the fight went on.

Keep in mind that Theory's AD only starts to kick when he's facing a guy who's more skilled than him.

Power Mimicry isn't anything special. He can copy basic martial art moves.


That will definitely give him the advantage early on in the fight.

@CoreOfimBalance(COB) you still gotta respond to all of this.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

@CoreOfimBalance(COB) you still gotta respond to all of this.

I am now lol, saw it early on mobile but couldn't respond.

Now... Vasco's definitely great at Muay Thai. Gun praised his skill with it and he moved from beginner to a great level really quick. At this point on time Vasco was also trained by a grizzly bear.

Those are impressive feats. I can imagine him overcoming Vasco's forbidden techniques (which I forgot to add in aaaaaaa, but that's not a big dea). How skileld is Johnny in that case? Has he ever dealt with Muay Thai? Also gotcha on Mimicry dang, still neat though. Vasco is however gullible and nice, if Austin has something that he can do to take advantage of that.

Does the power gap have to be that big in order to trigger AD? Cause if so Vasco's kinda pulling ahead right now. I think it might be triggered by Vasco's sudden ambush but I'm not sure on that.

Oh dang, just noticed Vasco's LS is superhuman compared to Austin's peak human. Squeeze of Death is a particularly nasty grab Vasco has where he forced a guy down with it.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

shameless plug but random, COB, i need a vote here
Anyway observing this match for now

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

shameless plug but random, COB, i need a vote here
Anyway observing this match for now

How there you. For that I'm tossing someone at Chisato.

But jokes aside only reason I have't commented yet is cause I don't know Holo well lol. Oh well time to try

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Now... Vasco's definitely great at Muay Thai. Gun praised his skill with it and he moved from beginner to a great level really quick. At this point on time Vasco was also trained by a grizzly bear.

Ehh. That's probably not as skilled as Theory tbh.

How skileld is Johnny in that case? Has he ever dealt with Muay Thai? Also gotcha on Mimicry dang, still neat though. Vasco is however gullible and nice, if Austin has something that he can do to take advantage of that.

Not necessarily, but Johnny has defeated people who can fight on par with people who are knowledgeable on Muay Thai. Same for Theory.

Theory has Social Influencing, so Vasco being gullible and nice could be a massive detriment to this match.

AD I'm not sure will trigger once Vasco unleashes his best moves on the get go. Does the power gap have to be that big in order to trigger it? Cause if so Vasco's kinda pulling ahead right now.

This is also assuming that Vasco will connect with these attacks.

Theory's AD only applies to skill. It doesn't apply to power. The AP gap isn't even big enough to become a game changer.

Also, Theory's 3 finishers do far more damage than his normal AP.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I gotta go to sleep, so I'll respond to these whenever I get the time to.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Ehh. That's probably not as skilled as Theory tbh.


Not necessarily, but Johnny has defeated people who can fight on par with people who are knowledgeable on Muay Thai. Same for Theory.

Theory has Social Influencing, so Vasco being gullible and nice could be a massive detriment to this match.


This is also assuming that Vasco will connect with these attacks.

Theory's AD only applies to skill. It doesn't apply to power. The AP gap isn't even big enough to become a game changer.

Also, Theory's 3 finishers do far more damage than his normal AP.

Well I'd like to argue that being trained by a bear is different lol. But to clarify- Gun is one of the god tiers of the verse to the point that he only recognizes the best of the best. (Yes I'll argue for this even if it means Vasco will trigger AD lol)

That said, fair enough.

How does Austin usually use SI?

Fair's fair. Though I'd say I did edit this late but the moment Vasco grapples him there might be no escape.

Dang. Ah well, I'm surprised Vasco not being strong as I thought he would be is a bonus lol

How much damage are we talking about? @ Normal AP

I gotta go to sleep, so I'll respond to these whenever I get the time to.

No rush I'll be busy ish but will try to respond when I can

 

[LaserPrecision]

Kinda a single upscale only for this version, so not too high

Could you get a little more into the specifics? Do they easily beat someone who scales to the value? Do they one shot someone who scales to the value, stuff like that. Typically this ap gap is negligible, but if they one shot someone who scales to the value, they'd def be able to one shot someone below the value.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Could you get a little more into the specifics? Do they easily beat someone who scales to the value? Do they one shot someone who scales to the value, stuff like that. Typically this ap gap is negligible, but if they one shot someone who scales to the value, they'd def be able to one shot someone below the value.

To explain this-

Hudson does it here with his left hand. His right hand deals much more damage with how much he trained it. Daniel can take a "few" hits from it on Heat Mode and Vasco scales to Heat Daniel.

So it's just stronger. I can't necessarily say oneshot level since Daniel was struggling with a few blows from the left hand.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

So I'm stupid enough to use the wrong calc without noticing lol.

I meant this. Warren and Vasco are pretty much toe to toe strengthwise. But Vasco has more damaging moves with higher AP in comparison to Warren's more technical stuff

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I'll respond to these comments either when I get home from school, or when I have any free time during school.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

I'll respond to these comments either when I get home from school, or when I have any free time during school.

School first over vsb

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Back from school.

Give me a bit to respond.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Well I'd like to argue that being trained by a bear is different lol.

Getting trained by a bear is certainly an unorthodox way of training lol.

But to clarify- Gun is one of the god tiers of the verse to the point that he only recognizes the best of the best. (Yes I'll argue for this even if it means Vasco will trigger AD lol)

Guess I gotta pull out the skill essay.

How does Austin usually use SI?

He usually taunts the opponent, or he usually does some kind of action to get in his opponents head/rile them up. Someone gullible like Lee can likely fall for this, making Theory capitalize on this weakness.

Fair's fair. Though I'd say I did edit this late but the moment Vasco grapples him there might be no escape.

That really depends on his LS. Theory has 6+ years of experience when it comes to dealing with grapples/submission holds, even people with higher LS than him.

How much damage are we talking about? @ Normal AP

There is no specified AP, but James Ellsworth, one of the weakest/less skilled in WWE, almost defeated AJ Styles with his finisher. AJ Styles is widely regarded as one of the best wrestlers on the planet, defeating the likes of John Cena clean in the middle of the ring. Styles also took no damage prior to getting hit with Ellsworth's finisher.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Yup lol. @ bear

Imma avoid quoting since it blots out the thread lol. Lol. In the end with how many superhuman prodigies in martial arts are tossed around in Lookism I feel like Vasco can keep up. If not just be slightly lower.

Well he isn't exactly a stranger to insults but riling Vasco up might end up having him using his finishers. Anyway that's still a point for Austin since that could make Vasco be more focused on attacking, though if it's just that Vasco will gain his cool back. Still an advantage!

Can Austin handle Superhuman level LS in that case? And I see that as doable. Vasco himself is pretty close to Vin Jin in level whom dealt with Highschoolers who dedicate their life to wrestling, (years of experience). Not quite as high but the AP gap helps even that out a bit. Vasco also has his Shoulder Squeeze move but it essentially cripples anyone who he grabs on to.

Almost defeated as in nearly oneshot? That's big trouble then dang. Tbh I'm starting to lean on a tie lol, since. Vasco does have some finishers/forbidden techniqued that once allowed him to KO someone on his level in a surprise attack. But if Austin has Instinctive Action that helps mitigate that damage.

I'm starting to lean on a tie for both of them honestly.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Imma avoid quoting since it blots out the thread lol. Lol. In the end with how many superhuman prodigies in martial arts are tossed around in Lookism I feel like Vasco can keep up. If not just be slightly lower.

Would you be willing to read the skill essay I have for Theory?

Well he isn't exactly a stranger to insults but riling Vasco up might end up having him using his finishers. Anyway that's still a point for Austin since that could make Vasco be more focused on attacking, though if it's just that Vasco will gain his cool back. Still an advantage!

Not necessarily. Vasco might end up becoming reckless in his fighting style, as a person who's fighting out of straight anger won't be thinking straight, which can lead to Vasco making a big mistake.

Can Austin handle Superhuman level LS in that case? And I see that as doable. Vasco himself is pretty close to Vin Jin in level whom dealt with Highschoolers who dedicate their life to wrestling, (years of experience). Not quite as high but the AP gap helps even that out a bit. Vasco also has his Shoulder Squeeze move but it essentially cripples anyone who he grabs on to.

Austin has experience dealing with people who have Class 25 LS. Of course, an LS disadvantage is still an LS advantage, and Theory will struggle with this disadvantage, but the gap here isn't nearly as big as a person with Class 25. "Superhuman" LS is also a pretty vague rating.

Almost defeated as in nearly oneshot? That's big trouble then dang. Tbh I'm starting to lean on a tie lol, since. Vasco does have some finishers/forbidden techniqued that once allowed him to KO someone on his level in a surprise attack. But if Austin has Instinctive Action that helps mitigate that damage.

Austin Theory's Instinctive Actions will come in clutch here.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Depends on how long lol but fire away

Definitely for a bit yup.

It's definitely higher than Peak human that Austin currently has lol. I mean is it a direct confrontation/handling of it or did he avoid being grabbed? Who's the guy that has Class 25 LS?? I did not expect that from WWE

Yup.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Well, for starters, Austin Theory was a bodybuilding champion at the age of 17. Here's an image of him in that bodybuilding competition. Keep in mind he was only 17 at the time. Now that he’s a full time professional wrestler at the age of 25, there’s no doubt in my mind that Theory is in full peak condition, making him physically superior to a lot of the wrestlers in the roster, as well as one of the most athletically gifted.

Theory was stated by commentary to have been blessed with all of the tools an athlete can hope for, and is a true prodigy in the world of professional wrestling. This already shows the massive amounts of potential/skill Theory has.

To start things off with a bang, there’s this new wrestler called Axiom. In this promo, he’s billed as someone who can quickly analyze and react to anything thanks to his gift for mathematics, which he uses to defeat wrestlers in the ring. Yes, this guy uses mathematical formulas while in the middle of a match to defeat his opponents. Keep in mind, this guy struggles with NXT wrestlers, while Austin Theory has fought on par with and defeated some of the best wrestlers in the business, so Theory is likely far superior to the likes of Axiom, which is already extremely impressive in itself.

Theory on his debut NXT match was able to fight on par with Roderick Strong. Strong has over 20 years of experience as a wrestler, and was nicknamed The Master of the Backbreaker, due to his ability to constantly target the opponent's back in wrestling matchups.

Theory was also able to hold his own against the likes of Aleister Black, who was trained in Pencak Silat and Kickboxing from the ages 9 to 15.

Austin Theory defeated Ricochet in only a couple of minutes. Ricochet is notorious for using his absurd levels of acrobatics and quick reflexes to blitz, overwhelm, and defeat his opponents.

Austin Theory has also fought on par with the likes of Dexter Lumis, who has shown to have a "Sixth Sense" that allows him to fight while blindfolded.

Theory was able to give Bobby Lashley a good run for his money. Bobby Lashley has a very good mixed martial arts background, having a record of 15-2, defeating the likes of Joshua Franklin in 41 seconds (TKO), and Mike Cook in 24 seconds (Submission). He even defeated James Thompson, who at that point, had over a decade of experience in mixed martial arts. Lashley defeated him in 54 seconds via TKO.

Theory was also able to give AJ Styles a good run for his money. AJ Styles is the same guy who was able to beat John Cena clean. Cena is the same guy who looked like was about to beat Brock Lesnar before getting interrupted. Brock Lesnar was an Amateur Wrestler, and a Mixed Martial Artist career, which he uses, along with his Amateur Wrestling background to decimate his opponents. Lesnar had a record of 106-5 in his 4 years of college wrestling at the NCAA, as well as winning the NCAA Division I Heavyweight Championship. Lesnar also ended the iconic 21-year Wrestlemania win streak of The Undertaker.

After a hard-hitting, physical match, Theory was able to defeat Dolph Ziggler clean. Ziggler has a great amateur wrestling background. Ziggler set the record for most pins in St. Edward High School with 82 pins. When he was a wrestler at Kent State University, he at one point, held the record for most career wins in the team's history, earning 121 wins (the record was soon broken, but this still says a lot for how skilled Theory is).

Theory was able to trade blows with the likes of Drew McIntyre. McIntyre is the same guy who had wars with the likes of Sheamus. In fact, while participating in a grueling ‘Good Old Fashioned Donnybrook’ match, McIntyre was even capable of kicking out of The Brogue Kick. The Brogue Kick is one of the most dangerous moves in all of Pro Wrestling. A referee suffered chronic neck pain when hit with the move. The Brogue Kick was stated to cause extreme nerve damage and tingling in the extremities of the victim. A move this dangerous was something that Drew McIntyre kicked out of, and Theory traded blows with McIntyre.

Theory was able to defeat Finn Balor for the United States Championship, becoming the youngest US Champion in WWE history. Now here's where I go talking about Finn Balor's skill.

Finn Balor defeated Pete Dunne, who's fighting style revolves around brawling, stiff strikes, submission grappling, and bending of his opponents fingers (Small Joint Manipulation), which will leave someone extremely handicapped in a fight, especially since wrestling is all about striking, grappling and holding, and you can't do that without functioning fingers. Pete Dunne was also the same guy who was able to solo the entire Undisputed Era by himself, and the group has been regarded as one of the most dominant factions in WWE history. The group ended up winning all of the gold in NXT at one point.

Balor was also able to give Roman Reigns a good run for his money. Roman Reigns became the 2nd man to defeat The Undertaker at Wrestlemania.

The Undertaker is considered the greatest pure striker in Sports Entertainment history. Even the likes of Kurt Angle was scared to take a punch from him.

If ya don't know Kurt Angle, he's notorious for winning a gold medal with a broken neck, who is this skilled, and was named the greatest shoot wrestler ever.

Theory's skill essay.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Trying to be productive so might be slower for a good while. Anyway-

Yeah those are actually impressive. I will say that some of those might be less skill based (IE Character A who's incredbily skilled losing to character B doesn't really mean Character C beating Character B is much more skilled.)

But Also dang that Brogue Kick is ruthless. Would that imply Pressure Point Resistance for Theory?

 

[RandomGuy2345]

But Also dang that Brogue Kick is ruthless. Would that imply Pressure Point Resistance for Theory?

1. Theory wasn't the one who kicked out of the Brogue Kick.
2. No. The Brogue Kick is not PP. It's just a demonstration of how powerful it is.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

1. Theory wasn't the one who kicked out of the Brogue Kick.
2. No. The Brogue Kick is not PP. It's just a demonstration of how powerful it is.

Yes that's why I said Resistance. But if it's not pressure point than disregard it whoops

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Yes that's why I said Resistance. But if it's not pressure point than disregard it whoops

There's also a finisher in the WWE that's been proven to be canonically stronger than the Brogue Kick by a decent margin.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Yeah those are actually impressive. I will say that some of those might be less skill based (IE Character A who's incredbily skilled losing to character B doesn't really mean Character C beating Character B is much more skilled.)

Would you say Theory is the more skilled competitor after the essay I showed?

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Admittedly, there are some things I need to tweak for Theory's skill essay, as there are some things that need to be added.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Would you say Theory is the more skilled competitor after the essay I showed?

Honestly I think he is, but Vasco isn't completely wiped out in skill. I'm also planning to do a Lookism skills listing now too lol.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Honestly I think he is, but Vasco isn't completely wiped out in skill. I'm also planning to do a Lookism skills listing now too lol.

I'm planning on making one for my boi Chris Jericho.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Back on topic, I think Theory can pull out a win via skill, his finishers, instinctive actions, and social influencing.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Somehow I thought I was the OP for this and was confused why edit didn't work.

Now my reasoning:

Although he has IA, I don't think he can dodge all of Vasco's attacks. Theory has the skill to make up for the AP, but the LS is still potent and Vasco can land some nasty hits that way to make sure Theory can't escape. His finisher move is definitely going to be brutal and his social influencing may even lead up to that.

But I think at that point Vasco might have dealt too much damage by then, and he could push himself to keep fighting after that.

So my vote, Tie. It can really go either way.