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Seems reasonableDemonGodMitchAubin said:
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August Large Country Level
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I disagree fully with that.
Nobody should scale from this. And it's only a statement. And it's an outlier for everyone seeing as how only RoF Acnologia is large country level.
Nobody should scale from this. And it's only a statement. And it's an outlier for everyone seeing as how only RoF Acnologia is large country level.
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It does very much seem to be hyperbole. However, if we were to somehow accept this fallacious statement, it wouldn't be able to scale to AP since this abilitiy works by evaporation over a long range, a very slow evaporation at that since it didn't even kill anyone. It really can't be scaled to anyone though, no one shows the ability to use the spell and no one shows the range for such magic.
The reason for August thinking it wouldn't work on Acno is simple by saying Acno has resistance to such mechanics regarding the spell. Also, even if we did believe this statement, it would not translate to Acno having Country Level durability since this attack is not based on AP, just evaporation in a large range.
The reason for August thinking it wouldn't work on Acno is simple by saying Acno has resistance to such mechanics regarding the spell. Also, even if we did believe this statement, it would not translate to Acno having Country Level durability since this attack is not based on AP, just evaporation in a large range.
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This seems no different than Continental Oars and Planetary Whitebeard. This statement is hyperbolic and at best it's an outlier.
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Well, Acno is High 6-B with RoT just because. Like, dragons are stated to be country bustersKnightofannihilation666 said:
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No. As the FT expert here I'd expect you to know how and why Acnologia is even at that level in the first place. He's High 6-B via scanning to Etherion. Not "Dragons can destroy countries." Especially since we don't know how long said destruction took.
Like I said at best this is an outlier.
Like I said at best this is an outlier.
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Ok. Explain why?
Like, Acno was just randomly scale to etherion
Despite the fact that dragons and Acno itself had Country busting statements and a guy with a cointry busting attack can't beat him
Like, Acno was just randomly scale to etherion
Despite the fact that dragons and Acno itself had Country busting statements and a guy with a cointry busting attack can't beat him
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You want to explain why this is an outlier? Easy. It's plain and simple, August isn't even remotely close to the level of Etherion and now everyone suddenly wants High 6-B August. And the jump from low end High 6-C to High 6-B is pretty big.
RoF Acnologia scales to Etherion since after eating the Ravens of Times he said he was stronger than Etherion. He isn't Large Country via the Dragon statement ( That in itself is shady enough.) And Etherion was infective against Acnologia since he had broken Magic Absorption rendering it pretty much useless. Ergo he scales above it.
Again read above. Large Country August has multiple reasons why it's an outlier. As pointed out in the comments above.
RoF Acnologia scales to Etherion since after eating the Ravens of Times he said he was stronger than Etherion. He isn't Large Country via the Dragon statement ( That in itself is shady enough.) And Etherion was infective against Acnologia since he had broken Magic Absorption rendering it pretty much useless. Ergo he scales above it.
Again read above. Large Country August has multiple reasons why it's an outlier. As pointed out in the comments above.
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Why August isn't close to etherion level?
They have the same comment: being able to wipe out a country.
The same statement for dragons and Acno
And the Etherion thing is just an statement and accepted.
Acno has lots of country level supporting statements and is rejected.
Logic =/= not found.
They have the same comment: being able to wipe out a country.
The same statement for dragons and Acno
And the Etherion thing is just an statement and accepted.
Acno has lots of country level supporting statements and is rejected.
Logic =/= not found.
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Legit I don't see how this is an outlier
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Hmmm let's see
1: I already explained this to you and so has multiple other users. It's an outlier since not even Zeref himself is Country Level and he's vastly superior to August. Same with Acnologia. We don't know how long it'd take to even do this in the first place. And as I Made this also pointed out this wouldn't scale to his AP or durability. The ability works by vaporization at a long range, a very slow vaporization. It's extremely hyperbolic and it's an immense outlier. It's essentially like if Zoro had a High 6-A feat despite the god tiers only being 6-B. It's incredibly inconsistent.
2: Statements don't mean much whenever feats contradict them. Feats >>>> Statements. And again we don't know how long it'd take Dragons to destroy countries so it's unusable.
3: Acnologia has two country level statements and they back him up. Only him and it's clear August isn't anywhere near Acnologia especially since Zeref couldn't even kill him. Nobody in FT could. They have to literally seal him.
Logic = Found in my points. I can't say the same for your arguments.
1: I already explained this to you and so has multiple other users. It's an outlier since not even Zeref himself is Country Level and he's vastly superior to August. Same with Acnologia. We don't know how long it'd take to even do this in the first place. And as I Made this also pointed out this wouldn't scale to his AP or durability. The ability works by vaporization at a long range, a very slow vaporization. It's extremely hyperbolic and it's an immense outlier. It's essentially like if Zoro had a High 6-A feat despite the god tiers only being 6-B. It's incredibly inconsistent.
2: Statements don't mean much whenever feats contradict them. Feats >>>> Statements. And again we don't know how long it'd take Dragons to destroy countries so it's unusable.
3: Acnologia has two country level statements and they back him up. Only him and it's clear August isn't anywhere near Acnologia especially since Zeref couldn't even kill him. Nobody in FT could. They have to literally seal him.
Logic = Found in my points. I can't say the same for your arguments.
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Gargoyle One said:
I don't see how it isn't. And multiple people agree. Gargoyle take a closer look at the arguments and you'll see. It's basic logic.
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So
Random panel makes featless etherion Country level = accepted
Acno has country level, scales from and can't be defeated by a stated Contry buster guy = rejected.
August literally killed himself to make that attack. Implying how much it sacrifies, it shows how powerful can be. And why you assume slow destruction? He activated it and then simply decided to not use it.
We don't know how etherion does it but we accepted it anyways.
Why the god tiers (Acno, Igneel and FH Zeref) can't be High 6-B?
Random panel makes featless etherion Country level = accepted
Acno has country level, scales from and can't be defeated by a stated Contry buster guy = rejected.
August literally killed himself to make that attack. Implying how much it sacrifies, it shows how powerful can be. And why you assume slow destruction? He activated it and then simply decided to not use it.
We don't know how etherion does it but we accepted it anyways.
Why the god tiers (Acno, Igneel and FH Zeref) can't be High 6-B?
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More people agree, neat, doesn't mean I have too.
When you have quite literally dozens of statements about destroying countries and the biggest jump you get is the bare minimum of High 6C to High 6B it's really not hard to get.
But Fairy Tail doesn't interest me, so carry on.
When you have quite literally dozens of statements about destroying countries and the biggest jump you get is the bare minimum of High 6C to High 6B it's really not hard to get.
But Fairy Tail doesn't interest me, so carry on.
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1: I actually argued against this so I agree with you on that. High 6-B Fairy Tail shouldn't be a thing at all if it's by a statement. And Acnologia is High 6-B since we're given a radius of the size of the Country and Etherion is the strongest weapon in the verse. It makes sense.
2: Again you keep ignoring the fact that the jump from 6-C to High 6-B is massive and you keep trying to turn away from it. It's an outlier and that's simple. If a High 6-B feat is done by a Higher Mid Tier and If the God tier is the only one with a High 6-B rating then it's a nasty outlier for August.
3: Pre Ravens of Time Acnologia killed Igneel. Pre Ravens of Time Acnologia isn't High 6-B therefore Igneel isn't High 6-B. Zeref himself stated he couldn't stand a chance against Acnologia ergo he doesn't scale. He was going toto reset the world instead of actually fighting him. And SFD Natsu never fought Dragon Acnologia which is the High 6-B Acnologia. The Spirit of Acnologia is High 6-C.
2: Again you keep ignoring the fact that the jump from 6-C to High 6-B is massive and you keep trying to turn away from it. It's an outlier and that's simple. If a High 6-B feat is done by a Higher Mid Tier and If the God tier is the only one with a High 6-B rating then it's a nasty outlier for August.
3: Pre Ravens of Time Acnologia killed Igneel. Pre Ravens of Time Acnologia isn't High 6-B therefore Igneel isn't High 6-B. Zeref himself stated he couldn't stand a chance against Acnologia ergo he doesn't scale. He was going toto reset the world instead of actually fighting him. And SFD Natsu never fought Dragon Acnologia which is the High 6-B Acnologia. The Spirit of Acnologia is High 6-C.
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Gargoyle One said:
Yeah you clearly aren't understating logic. Not gonna try to convince you otherwise since that'd be the equivalent of me talking to a wall for 30 minutes. The jump from High 6-C to High 6-B is massive therefore it's an outlier. Anyway bye now let me and Aiden settle this. Thank you.
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Can we really powerscale a Suicide spell to anyone?
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Homu Sweet Homu said:
This is another thing I've been trying to say.
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Even if it's legit, it will only affects August alone.
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Yeah, even if this were somehow serious, it literally is not scalable to anyone due to the mechanics of the ability. It's basically evaporation with a huge range.
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We have already seen a spell with the same range as august sucidal move, and that was universe one. Irene used universe one with no sign of being exhausted, august is in no way weaker then irene who can perform such feat with ease.
How come we can accept acnologia statement, and reject augusts statement. What puts it under outlier, it's not like we have not seen country level feats in fairy tail.
If irene can perform country level feat, i don't believe that august can't do it either. The guy is known as the magic king, he is known for his knowledge of magic. For him to use such a powerful magic attack is far from being a outlier, since we have already seen someone who is on the same level as august use it.
How come we can accept acnologia statement, and reject augusts statement. What puts it under outlier, it's not like we have not seen country level feats in fairy tail.
If irene can perform country level feat, i don't believe that august can't do it either. The guy is known as the magic king, he is known for his knowledge of magic. For him to use such a powerful magic attack is far from being a outlier, since we have already seen someone who is on the same level as august use it.
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Universe One is Environmental Destruction not actual AP. That's why we don't consider that an outlier. We accept Acnologia statements since he's the god tier, August isn't nor has he shown anything close to High 6-B. It's an outlier, I don't know why you keep pushing it whenever it's blatantly obvious. His title doesn't matter whenever he's weaker than both Zeref and Acnologia. Zeref is High 6-C and doesn't have anything High 6-B yet August out of nowhere can. His statement is extremely hyperbolic in nature, it's an outlier and at best can't be scaled to anyone.
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I cant wait for Large Planet level Whitebeard and Continental level Oars with some Island level Buster Call Ships
I agree with Knight's reasoning.
I agree with Knight's reasoning.
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Wouldn't be an outlier to me, but I agree with the other argument.
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Seeing as it is a suicide move from one of the strongest mages in the series and he has no reason to lie, it's not likely to be an outlier from August himself; so long as it is specified that this is a suicide move and his durability doesn't scale from it.
I don't think any other character should scale to it.
> His title doesn't matter whenever he's weaker than both Zeref and Acnologia. Zeref is High 6-C and doesn't have anything High 6-B yet August out of nowhere can.
While August is overall weaker than Acno and Zeref, I don't see a reason why his suicide attack can't be more destructive than those two.
I don't think any other character should scale to it.
> His title doesn't matter whenever he's weaker than both Zeref and Acnologia. Zeref is High 6-C and doesn't have anything High 6-B yet August out of nowhere can.
While August is overall weaker than Acno and Zeref, I don't see a reason why his suicide attack can't be more destructive than those two.
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That attack was just blood vaporization and suicide, right? Wouldn't scale to anyone.
And then there's the fact that Mavis said Magnolia was at threat of being destroyed. No other mention of country level destruction other than by August himself. So... Hyperbole?
But Damage3245 also raises a good point. I don't see what is wrong with potentially High 6-B environmental destruction and life-wiping for August via suicide attack.
And then there's the fact that Mavis said Magnolia was at threat of being destroyed. No other mention of country level destruction other than by August himself. So... Hyperbole?
But Damage3245 also raises a good point. I don't see what is wrong with potentially High 6-B environmental destruction and life-wiping for August via suicide attack.
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The attack was blood vaporization and destruction of the environment; we could see the buildings and the ground being ripped apart as his spell was activating.
August stopped the spell himself before the destruction went too far.
August stopped the spell himself before the destruction went too far.
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The country buster dragon statement, as I have said many times before, comes from a fan scanlation and a fansub of the anime. The original manga says only that a dragon can conquer or lay waste to a country. It never says a dragon can destroy a country in one attack.AidenBrooks999 said:
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Magnolia is part of fiora, and august wanted to destroy fiora. So for mavis to say that magnoli is gonna vanish isn't gonna change anything. August target wasn't only magnolia, but the whole kingdom. He wanted to go with a bang and leave nothing left.
Knight:"We accept Acnologia statements since he's the god tier, August isn't nor has he shown anything close to High 6-B.." He doesn't need to be a god level character to perform such thing, irene isn't a god level character and has performed a feat of equal level with ease (She did not struggle activating such powerful spell).
August was stopped before he could complete his attack, but we cannot reject it because of this. There has been many other series who has done something like this before, like one punch man. Saitama stopped lord boros attack before it could do anything, yet he rated as a planet level.
Just because august was stopped before he could finish his attack, doesn't mean we can just call it outlier and reject it. Your argument against august is really weak, you need to bring a better argument before saying it's outlier.
Knight:"We accept Acnologia statements since he's the god tier, August isn't nor has he shown anything close to High 6-B.." He doesn't need to be a god level character to perform such thing, irene isn't a god level character and has performed a feat of equal level with ease (She did not struggle activating such powerful spell).
August was stopped before he could complete his attack, but we cannot reject it because of this. There has been many other series who has done something like this before, like one punch man. Saitama stopped lord boros attack before it could do anything, yet he rated as a planet level.
Just because august was stopped before he could finish his attack, doesn't mean we can just call it outlier and reject it. Your argument against august is really weak, you need to bring a better argument before saying it's outlier.
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Two problems with this statement:IKazi said:
1. Universe One is an unquantifiable hax and in no way translates to AP.
2. Irene needed prep time to perform the spell and channel the magic power of the entire land. It's not something should could do casually and with her own power.
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Do not bring other franchises into this. Everything is on a case by case basis.IKazi said:
And regarding Boros:
I am not familiar with One Punch Man, but from what I know, data book statements and Word of God (a statement from the author in an interview) confirm him and Saitama to be planet busters.
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1: I know that universe one is a hax spell, but the point is that both of the spells were country level.
2: It's still 2 different magic spells, they still need different requirements to activat them. The spell that august used is a suicide attack and require someone to sacrifice themselves to activate it.
When i say "With ease" i mean that she did not look like someone who was struggling with activating such powerful spell.
2: It's still 2 different magic spells, they still need different requirements to activat them. The spell that august used is a suicide attack and require someone to sacrifice themselves to activate it.
When i say "With ease" i mean that she did not look like someone who was struggling with activating such powerful spell.
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It was nothing more then a example, i'm not bringing other series to derail the thread. I was merely using it as a example.Soldier Blue said:
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Sorry. I get on edge when other franchises are brought into revision threads as it can potentially lead to shit storms.IKazi said:
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Irene already has High 6-B environmental destruction on her profile. And again, note that it was with prep and not her own magical power. She had to channel the magical power of the entire landmass to perform that spell. It in no way translates to her AP.
As I said above, I am not against August having High 6-B environmental destruction and life-wiping with Ars Magia. But it would not scale to his durability or the AP of any other character.
As I said above, I am not against August having High 6-B environmental destruction and life-wiping with Ars Magia. But it would not scale to his durability or the AP of any other character.
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I see, i will try and not bring other series to this thread. After all, i don't want this thread to be closed because of such thing.Soldier Blue said:
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Even though it was environmental attack, his magic spell was attacking the others and boiling their blood and making them hard to breath and slowly killing them. It was even able to cancel magic spells.Soldier Blue said:
I also agree with you.
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I agree with this.Soldier Blue said:
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