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Hahah; unfortunately the laser is made out of spirit energy, not light.
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Hahah; unfortunately the laser is made out of spirit energy, not light.
The one shot from Azula is kinda a problem for aang durability but not speedhuh? Thought he was off guard (and like shot in the spine area) at those times cuz he had no issue against Ozai and scales to Zuko who reacted to lightning multiple times.
Wouldn't using your body to create a path way to redirect the lightning be considered some form of bending. don't dey literally call it lightning bending if I'm not mistaken ,it may not be as critical/ the user lacks complete control over the element they bend but they are still in some way bending the lightning vai their chiI'm not talking about lightning bending. I'm talking about him not being able to bend natural lightning. Which he can't unless proven otherwise. The only scene in which he could have done so, or where even Zuko could have done so, is a redirection scene where they don't literally drag lightning from the sky to bend it.
The "reflect" is not bending. It is a technique that firebenders can do against lightning because of how their bodies function. He makes a chi pathway and has the lightning flow through it and out. That is not bending, where Chi is actively used to affect the environment or create elements. He is making a path for the lightning, not bending it.
"irregular" =/= "can do flips, tricks, loops and bends as it pleases"
Lightning follows a path, and that path makes it jagged because it is irregular. Lightning bending how it does when it goes at Iroh is not natural.
Also, if that's the case, the entire feat is irrelevant and can't even be calculated since the initial shot should be disregarded. So there's nothing to imply Iroh ever moved before he caught the bolt. Meaning that the only feat of actual lightning in the show is null. How does not seeing anything from any perspective but a flawed one even remotely improve the likelihood of him reacting to that bolt of lightning
ShusssWe’ve moved on from the topic
Wait why wait on me?Are we just waiting for Kukui at this point?
Wait why wait on me?
Yeah, but there was the issue with say Toph and her Seismic Sense.
While I disagree with the downgrade, I do think this point in particular may be good enough to suggest we should do better to look at the scaling of all the characters before we just scale them all to each other.
Massively Hypersonic
- Mai sidesteps Azula’s lightning | Smoke and Shadow, Part 3
Ohh okay I see. Then yeah we should probably discuss it. Starting with Toph at leastSnip
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Zuko and Iroh (who also did it to protect a ship, I believe) channel genuine lightning in order to practice and defend against this kind of stuff? If so, that may be worth calculating.Avatar: Zuko Blocks Lightning
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This calc has been rejected for a LONG time, yet is still on every single profile as justification for Massively Hypersonic reactions and combat speed for the verse. This is a clear oversight from the wiki, and I propose this calc be purged from every profile and an alternative one be created for them to scale to.
Also, some of the scaling for the profiles is circular and makes no sense., or is even just flat out wrong. Aang has his season 1 reactions because he scales to Korra, which is supported no where. But worse than that, Korra's reasoning has no scans or feats for it, and just says she can react to people that react to lightning, which is not what Aang's profile says about her.
Lightning bending must be proven to be the actual speed of lightning, and then a REAL scaling chain should be established for early Avatar characters other than vaguely scaling to Korra for no reason.
Lets get this started.
Eh Toph can react to Azula and Mai in combatFor the avatar state keys, we could just take a similar approach as how they are now and give them "at least MH+".
I'm struggling to think of any currently listed characters whose speed doesn't scale to all the others. Maybe Toph? She never did take on any of the main villains, aside from the times the gAang ganged up on Azula.
Ohh okay I see. Then yeah we should probably discuss it. Starting with Toph at least
Whelp; there goes my point. I think everyone in the verse scales to mh+ then.
Yeah this shows even non-benders scale to the Massively Hypersonic stuff
- Zuko redirects Ozai’s Lightning - Mach 1282.79 | The Day of Black Sun, Part 2: The Eclipse
- Amon dodges lightning - Mach 1092 | The Revelation
I'll try to look to see if any of the other feats you've linked above would yield any higher results.Since the MHS+ Amon and Zuko calcs were accepted I suppose this can be applied now.
Whelp; there goes my point. I think everyone in the verse scales to mh+ then.
In the first scan Toph tackles Sokka out the way of one of Azula’s fire blasts.The first link doesn’t actually show Toph reacting to Azula, it was Sokka. Also, in this episode during the invasion, wasn’t Azula more or less just playing around with them? Azula’s whole strategy here was to toy around with them in a running away game to stall their out their time in finding Ozai before the eclipse was over with. Aang even commented on her being “too quick” when trying to catch and immobilize her (without her bending I’ll add)
The only reason Azula pretty much got tagged was because she purposely stopped to fight Sokka after getting him riled up about Suki being captured.
As for Mai, what reason do we have to consider her to scale to this?
This I get, but the problem however comes down to her Seismic Sense as the OP mentioned since Tophs fighting style solely relies on feeling the vibrations of her opponents movements in order to discern where they are so she can fight against them.Yeah, in Toph's case, she is still remarkably fast for Earthbender standards and she would need to be to make use of her Seismic sense. When I said Earthbenders were usually the least agile, the key word was "Usually" as there do exist exceptions such as Toph. She also has speed blitzed Katara and Aang in the sparring matches shown in the sequal comics. And she did keep up with Mai and Ty Lee as Maverick mentioned yeah.
Aang's line there is some massive PIS to be honest, considering we see him using airbending to augment his running speed early in the series (a technique that shows up less and less often as the series progresses and I don't think it shows up at all in Korra.) Azula also has some plot armor to her as well, considering that Toph didn't just encase her feet into the ground when everyone confronted her at the end of The Chase. I've seen a reddit post complaining about how silly Aang's line as well.The first link doesn’t actually show Toph reacting to Azula, it was Sokka. Also, in this episode during the invasion, wasn’t Azula more or less just playing around with them? Azula’s whole strategy here was to toy around with them in a running away game to stall their out their time in finding Ozai before the eclipse was over with. Aang even commented on her being “too quick” when trying to catch and immobilize her (without her bending I’ll add)
The only reason Azula pretty much got tagged was because she purposely stopped to fight Sokka after getting him riled up about Suki being captured.
As for Mai, what reason do we have to consider her to scale to this?
Aang's line there is some massive PIS to be honest, considering we see him using airbending to augment his running speed early in the series (a technique that shows up less and less often as the series progresses and I don't think it shows up at all in Korra.) Azula also has some plot armor to her as well, considering that Toph didn't just encase her feet into the ground when everyone confronted her at the end of The Chase. I've seen a reddit post complaining about Aang's line as well.
Good point.I think that's a common issue in fiction; some characters have muscles that generate Massively FTL+ sound waves for instance. Vibrations are more or less the same way.
When Azula shoots her fireball, Toph is visibly recoiling from the heat in backgroundThe first link doesn’t actually show Toph reacting to Azula, it was Sokka.
I'd be happy to do it.I mean, it shouldn't hurt to apply the upgrades, I mean literally everyone is on the same page when it comes to their speed so I don't really understand why we're debating this
The exact moment he goes into the Avatar state he sees Ozai’s attack in slow motion, and Ozai has some trouble dodging his attacksI don't think Aang's avatar state has shown to give him a speed boost, as comet Ozai was able to avoid him for a while
Wrong link?Katara reacts to Azula’s lightning attacks | Sozen’s Comet, Part 4: Avatar Aang
This seems to be an even worse outlier than Zuki's feat hereIroh reacts to Azula’s lightning | The Avatar State
- [Blatant Outlier due to depicting Zuko with absurd running speed]
Zuko sprints in front of Azula’s lightning to intercept it| Sozin's Comet, Part 3: Into the Inferno
Oops. Here’s the feat.Wrong link?
That looks like Azula just missed rather than Katara dodging it tbh