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I mentioned Thunder Bagua once, and simply said he has better versions of it as well to use if needed. In fact, he uses Thunder Bagua to dodge all the damn time so thats a terrible argument.Thunder bagua is an attack. You mentioned it many times in reference to its speed. That’s attack speed
The fact that is illegal for him to win via blitzing via speed rulesDoes Asta have any answer to a Kaidou who can blitz him several times over
What? WdymThe fact that is illegal for him to win via blitzing via speed rules
At worst is "Asta can blitz" and "Kaido nulls heat resistance"So this match doesn't work then?
This isn't anything at all. Kaidou was able to completely blitz Luffy with a Thunder Bagua while he was using future sight. This is a Luffy 1000 chapters removed from the version of himself that through sheer instinctive reactions could defend against not just a normal speed blitz, but someone who at the time was 2596.8x faster than him. Kaidou is able to blitz this dude consistently over, and over, and over, and over again, just with his Baguas.
Those types of gaps don't carry on from one key to another in the same character, much less to different characters.Based on what? Luffy's Buso was able to block a cutting/piercing attack that was 4x stronger than him with nothing more than coughing blood. Kaidou who has stronger Haki than him will not get cut through. He will be cut definitely, but not taken out.
Kaido can use it, if he mostly wins because of them then the match won't get added to profiles (because Asta naturally is faster)I'm so confused. So Asta can use his speed amps but Kaidou can't?
I did not even though about having a x300 amp on that partBC goons
Any proof?Luffy and other Kenbu users in the series have without a doubt been blitzed by things not even close to being 2000x faster than them
Kaido also has the much higher lifting strength and can immobilize him with his jaw and shot a boro breath even if he gets tagged by doing itAs a result, winning a speed equalized match against a faster opponent due to a speed boost so large that it blitzes the opponent will not be added.
What?Any proof?
Because that’s never been a thing unless your talking movement speed vs movement speed
A child reacting to enels movements is one of them
Let me see if I got it right, you're saying Kaido has multiple ways to one shot, from AoE to dura neg to "being near would vaporize Asta", as well as being "much faster" (others in the thread were straight up saying Kaido should pretty much blitz) and all Asta can do is a non one shot that can be dodged.So Zetten is the only thing he has which isn’t a one shot and can be dodged
While kaido has boro breath aoe that one shots, dura negs that could fatally damage him or one shot, other con haki attacks that could basically one shot gear 4 Luffy and then magma kaido which just being near him would vaporize asta
It being a blitz stomp isn’t true when asta can use precog, kaido will just be much faster
Of course not. This is a stomp either way. Either Kaido blitzes Asta (which is illegal), while speed is equalized (while Asta for some reason can't), or Asta blitzes the entire One Piece verse with unequal speed in base.bruh asta is literally mftl
im not unequalizing sped
i promise you, look on Kaido's speed stats rn. You'll see the occasional "higher" or "far higher" on top of his ftl+ feat. he's getting speed ampsthata assuming if what the monkey man is saying is true
which it seems like its not..
This is literally just wrong, luffy did not blitz doffy because his observation haki still reacted, sanji movement speed statued oven yes, but oven still knew that it was an outsider who did the feat... Just because one can react and precieve, doesn't mean they can move fast enough to do anything, literally shown with sandersonia.What?
When it comes to movement speed vs movement speed, we have examples like when Sanji completely statued Oven without being even 2x faster, Luffy blitzed Doffy without being 2x as well, so did Zoro against Apoo, Kaido against Kin'emon with Thunder Bagua, etc, there are just too many examples of these small gaps being enough to blitz.
With the above explained, let me say this again: Luffy's feat against Kuro and Aisa's feat against Enel don't mean OP characters can deal with attacks thousands of times faster than them, again, that's not how such gaps are treated in the wiki, a slower character having enough reactions to evade an attack thousands of times faster doesn't mean a faster character has the same speed gap for their reactions (as shown above, where attacks not even 5x faster were enough to completely blitz), such a thing only happens when the gaps come from accepted multipliers, which Kenbu and Buso don't have.
it's not a stomp if Asta can attack back with ranged slashes and deal damage like what?Let me see if I got it right, you're saying Kaido has multiple ways to one shot, from AoE to dura neg to "being near would vaporize Asta", as well as being "much faster" (others in the thread were straight up saying Kaido should pretty much blitz) and all Asta can do is a non one shot that can be dodged.
Yeah, it's not a blitz stomp at this point, it's a plain and simple stomp from what you're saying.
Kaido does not have speed multipliers with his movement speed ampsso you're telling me that kaido gets speed amps through his multipliers? Asta doesn't get multipliers, how's that fair?
Explain how it's wank when its accepted and such and there not being any anti featthe haki reaction shit is obviously wank i dont know why anyone takes him seriously when he says shit like that
im sorry, how is he blitzing him if he has no speed multipliers with MS amps? you said before he get's faster somehowKaido CAN blitz but he doesn't have to is what I'm saying, he can just make himself faster
The same way how Asta can blitz people relative to him with his Far higher amps like zetten or Partial Devil Unionim sorry, how is he blitzing him if he has no speed multipliers with MS amps? you said before he get's faster somehow
he does NOT get those amps. they literally dont exist, we had them removed long agoThe same way how Asta can blitz people relative to him with his Far higher amps like zetten or Partial Devil Union
he does NOT get those amps. they literally dont exist, we had them removed long ago
They still apply in vs matches, if Asta can blitz people relative to him with speed boosts, then in speed equal he can do the same with other characters when he's using themMassively FTL (Blitzed Paladin Damnatio. Reached Sacred Power Lucius before he could attack Yuno), far higher with Partial Devil Union, even higher attack speed with Zetten
they're unquantifiable but if they're there then is what it isThey still apply in vs matches, if Asta can blitz people relative to him with speed boosts, then in speed equal he can do the same with other characters when he's using them
idk if you gas lighting or not but you can't simply ignore this on the haki pageI have serious doubts if the problem is coming from my English or the reading comprehension of the other side, but something definitely isn't lining up here at all between what I am saying (or at least trying to) and the answers I am getting.
Like, can a 3rd party at least say if they got what I said?
right. Asta and Yami do the same thing with ki and zetten. Huh, they really are alike in that senseidk if you gas lighting or not but you can't simply ignore this on the haki page
That's all I've been talking about, that kaido with observation haki will be able to precieve him as nearly every obs Haki users are able to do when fighting someone much faster than them
- Precognition: (Learned how to use ki and sense it.[7] With ki, Asta has the capacity to predict opponents' next moves by reading their breathing, muscle movements, glare, life force, current emotional state, and even their slight presence, with all his senses combined. His ki sensing allows him to even sense non-living objects such as rocks)
obs Haki and ki sensing are a little different overall tho, with how they actually act and what the effects are for the information they getright. Asta and Yami do the same thing with ki and zetten. Huh, they really are alike in that sense
Am I being accused of gas lighting now? Like, for real?idk if you gas lighting or not but you can't simply ignore this on the haki page
Bro who cares about what you're talking about? My first posts were for Kachon, then you started to bring a lot of related shit to what I was talking about alongside missing or just straight up ignoring the entire explanation I provided about the point I was making before you even replied to me.That's all I've been talking about, that kaido with observation haki will be able to precieve him as nearly every obs Haki users are able to do when fighting someone much faster than them
Drag, absolutely no one is trying to quantify Kenbun's amp. We're giving these examples of where it has been shown to bridge insane gaps so simply say that it's a huge amp, in the say way folks are saying for Ki or Zetten.And where exactly did I ignore that? I am saying, from the very very start, that Kenbu's amp is unquantifiable, it doesn't scale to thousands of times because of Aisa, or because of Luffy, or whatever.
Asia's kenbu's amp scales unquantifiable above lightning speed with initial observation haki and Kaido is < with adv observation hakiAnd where exactly did I ignore that? I am saying, from the very very start, that Kenbu's amp is unquantifiable, it doesn't scale to thousands of times because of Aisa, or because of Luffy, or whatever.
With kachon you were spreading misinformation about observation haki and named feats where they got "blitzed" even tho they still was able to react and precieveBro who cares about what you're talking about? My first posts were for Kachon, then you started to bring a lot of related shit to what I was talking about alongside missing or just straight up ignoring the entire explanation I provided about the point I was making before you even replied to me.
You literally said this with no proof at all unless your talking about their movement speed and not about observation hakiLuffy and other Kenbu users in the series have without a doubt been blitzed by things not even close to being 2000x faster than them
Also no... stop, simply wondering why you're behaving that way by saying that only my view was the problemAm I being accused of gas lighting now? Like, for real?
I have serious doubts if the problem is coming from my English or the reading comprehension of the other side
With Kenbu? Maybe that was the case and I misunderstood you, but you straight up claimed that Luffy had 4x durability with Buso, and therefore the same 4x would apply to Kaido:Drag, absolutely no one is trying to quantify Kenbun's amp. We're giving these examples of where it has been shown to bridge insane gaps so simply say that it's a huge amp, in the say way folks are saying for Ki or Zetten.
Yeah bro, Kaido is FTL+, we know he scales above lightning speed with Kenbu, this much didn't add anything.Asia's kenbu's amp scales unquantifiable above lightning speed with initial observation haki and Kaido is < with adv observation haki
Okay, let me ask this simple question, do you know what "react" means? I am not asking you about the dictionary definition, I am asking if you know what "react" or in other words what a "reaction" is in the context of this forum, to quote our speed page:With kachon you were spreading misinformation about observation haki and named feats where they got "blitzed" even tho they still was able to react and precieve
Bro who cares if their Kenbu gets blitzed if their body can't keep up to even try defending? And if you want a Kenbu-blitz, Sanji blitzed Queen's Kenbu as did Kaido vs Luffy in Udon (although in this case there's a speed gap of 20x).You literally said this with no proof at all unless your talking about their movement speed and not about observation haki
Sure, my bad on that end.Also no... stop, simply wondering why you're behaving that way by saying that only my view was the problem