EldemadeDityjon
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Why it isn't in profile?
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Asta vs Ichigo
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Interacting with souls is just NPI not Soul Manipulation.
EldemadeDityjon
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Yeah i know i was talking about NPI only.
It would be helpful.
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Can't he null it if Reiatsu and magic is equalized?
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Yes
EldemadeDityjon
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Magic and Reatsu are different things. Bleach has two power systems.
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What's the 2nd one?
EldemadeDityjon
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Magic & Reatsu both exists in bleach separately.
Magic is introduced in Burn the witch which is 10 years after Yhwach gets smoked. Which exists in same world. West side of Soul society i guess. It's in London.
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You did my boy asta dirty here with soul crush
EldemadeDityjon
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Actually 12 years After the war my bad.
BURN THE WITCH
BURN THE WITCH is a manga series authored by Tite Kubo, initially consisting solely of a one-shot released in the July 16th, 2018 edition of Shonen Jump before later being followed by a 4-chapter serialization set a month after the events of the one-shot. A season 2 was announced to be coming...
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Yep and Lucius isn’t the only one. There are abilities out there that manipulates the soul. Lucius’ magic is just all about souls.
Burn the witch?
Magic & Reatsu both exists in bleach separately.
Magic is introduced in Burn the witch which is 10 years after Yhwach gets smoked. Which exists in same world. West side of Soul society i guess. It's in London.
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EldemadeDityjon
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It's been while I forgot. I guess I need to re read it then. Anyway add that to the profiles so that we don't get confused.
Yeah this seriesActually 12 years After the war my bad.
BURN THE WITCH
BURN THE WITCH is a manga series authored by Tite Kubo, initially consisting solely of a one-shot released in the July 16th, 2018 edition of Shonen Jump before later being followed by a 4-chapter serialization set a month after the events of the one-shot. A season 2 was announced to be coming...
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I am 99% sure the magic draws on reiryoku like any other ability in Soul Society. Was it stated to have a different power source?
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Constantly mentioned as Magic throughout the series. Has zero mention of application or statement of Reiryoku or reishi or reaitsu in the series.
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I see.
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Soul manipulation resistance? He resisted Lucius, surely that must account for something, right?
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Constantly mentioned as Magic throughout the series. Has zero mention of application or statement of Reiryoku or reishi or reaitsu in the series.
Hell might have a different thing but I will leave it out for now.We have characters who lacks reatsu and can still use their powers. Shunsui also implies something about hell energy which is most likely different than Reishi.
I will leave that out until we get more information regarding hell arc.
we equalise verses based on how similar both energy systems are. I'm gonna straight up say that it can be likely that even magic in bleach (Burn The Witch) isnt even as similar to the magic in Black Clover. We don't just equalise on naming conventions surely.
So my questions are:
1. Does magic exist everywhere in the verse?
2. Does magic exist in humans?
3. Is magic power predestinated by the the soul you have in burn the witch (Basically is the soul the source of magic power)?
4. and finally if you are drained of magic power/mana, does it also affect your life (like can you almost die if too much of it is drained, if not all of it)?
Magic & Reatsu both exists in bleach separately.
Magic is introduced in Burn the witch which is 10 years after Yhwach gets smoked. Which exists in same world. West side of Soul society i guess. It's in London.
EldemadeDityjon
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Check the SBA again only energy which are similar gets equalization not all types.
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Bro I have to equalise the energy types otherwise it’s a stomp
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you've simply just not answered the question. why is magic in BTW more similar to magic in BC than reiyoku in Bleach is more so to Magic in BC BESIDES naming conventions.
EldemadeDityjon
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Magic being universal or sub abilities doens't matter wiki never treats it like that. You are just reaching your own conclusions.
Magic is an ability in the wiki it's doens't matter if its universal or single character uses it. It's an energy so it doesn't matter.
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Already shown evidence for Magic and Reiokyu being different. So equalising shouldn't matter.
@Deceived3596 & @Arcker123 need your take on Burn the witch magic and Reiokyu being same or different.
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No bro both are similar trust
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ok so lets refuse to answer the question, and also refuse to acknowledge that the OP is equalising the both reiyoku and magic anyway because they are likely more similar than magic in both verses. I like where this is going
You do realise that power systems are not the same as abilitites. I named mana and magic power, not just magic because magic is the genuine ability that comes from mana. I'm talking about power systems, not applications.
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Then it shouldn't be added to profiles I guess? Fun & game? I'm pretty sure if there are multiple changes are used aside from SBA this should go to fun and games let me check.ok so lets refuse to answer the question, and also refuse to acknowledge that the OP is equalising the both reiyoku and magic anyway because they are likely more similar than magic in both verses. I like where this is going
Mana and Magic are considered as same idk where you got them being different. Mana is simple word for Magical energy. Magical power is you are refering to what is exerted.
Magic
The ability to allow manipulating aspects of reality (or all of them), bypassing the known laws of physics. In most cases, use of magic requires special magical energy, often called mana. Mana may vary in quality and quantity across different mages. Accordingly, the magician or wizard whose mana...
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I said power system, not application of power system. You just helped my case out, how are both power systems the same, not applications. Notice how you said the phrase "requires special magical energy"Then it shouldn't be added to profiles I guess? Fun & game? I'm pretty sure if there are multiple changes are used aside from SBA this should go to fun and games let me check.
Mana and Magic are considered as same idk where you got them being different. Mana is simple word for Magical energy. Magical power is you are refering to what is exerted.
Magic
The ability to allow manipulating aspects of reality (or all of them), bypassing the known laws of physics. In most cases, use of magic requires special magical energy, often called mana. Mana may vary in quality and quantity across different mages. Accordingly, the magician or wizard whose mana...
BC has that clearly, but with extra steps such as it being dependent on the soul. Still havent proved how both energies are different besides naming conventions.
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You keep saying it's different because of name and applications. You haven't told me where the ontology of the actual energy
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I already did. If you keep ignoring that not my problem.Constantly mentioned as Magic throughout the series. Has zero mention of application or statement of Reiryoku or reishi or reaitsu in the series.
Hell might have a different thing but I will leave it out for now.We have characters who lacks reatsu and can still use their powers. Shunsui also implies something about hell energy which is most likely different than Reishi.
I will leave that out until we get more information regarding hell arc.
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I hate to be that guy but, do we have any more info regarding the ontology? Because it doesn't at least answer the 3rd and 4th question. I'll genuinely shut up, if not go to another topic regarding this fight if you can answer those.
EldemadeDityjon
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Show where in SBA asks your questions then I'm free to answer them I'm not obliged to answer some Random unnecessary questions which has nothing to do with what's discussed here.I hate to be that guy but, do we have any more info regarding the ontology? Because it doesn't at least answer the 3rd and 4th question. I'll genuinely shut up, if not go to another topic regarding this fight if you can answer those.
Also Magic is energy which used to power the spells so its an Seperate Power system. Humans do born with magic. If this doesn't satisfy you I'm not gonna bother replying any further.
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Ontology and mechanics to the genuine power system they use is absolutely important. I need to know these answers in order to determine if magic in BTW is the same as that in BC. It could very well even be that it sits right in the middle of the 2.
One more question: are they like fullbringers, where their reiyoku relies on their soul? Is that just untrue.
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but for the mages in BTW*
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In BC no, mana and magical power are different things
EldemadeDityjon
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Nice arguments from Ignorance
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It couldn't be more true I'm afraid.
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He can nullify Mana, which is basically the essence of one's soul
EldemadeDityjon
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So soul = Mana and anyone who can interact with Mana can interact with Souls?
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