Kazuma_kuwabara
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Or maybe he did and Lucifero is 3000 times stronger
You got yourself 5-C to 5-B Black Clover, good job (Joking so no one takes this comment serious)
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Asta begins his martial artist training
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You got yourself 5-C to 5-B Black Clover, good job (Joking so no one takes this comment serious)
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I was typing a paragraph in response to @Tural2004 then another paragraph popped out of nowhere.
I really have a ton of shit to do Irl
anyway, there has to be a better way to debate this.
I really have a ton of shit to do Irl
anyway, there has to be a better way to debate this.
azontr
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Take a break from this match then, focus on what's important and come back when your ready.I was typing a paragraph in response to @Tural2004 then another paragraph popped out of nowhere.
I really have a ton of shit to do Irl
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WTF I never knew that
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I have a question regarding Garou’s AD and RE
Hasn't he capped at 6-A via RE for this match? Why are we combining RE feats with AD feats?
Hasn't he capped at 6-A via RE for this match? Why are we combining RE feats with AD feats?
RandomGuy2345
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Because apparently mfs can't tell the difference between both abilities.
Yes, they're similar, but telling the difference between them honestly isn't that hard to figure out.
azontr
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He's capped but nobody is arguing he'd go beyond the cap, just that his AD acts faster and with larger jumps than Asta's.
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True, hence why I opted to go for Garou’s other feat for the amount of time he threw against his fight with Platinum Sperm since I think that gives a more concrete example of the rate of Garou’s growth.
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I know but it’s so weird using RE to justify Garou’s AD. Isnt that like an Association fallacy?
azontr
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I mean what's the difference-
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I’m like sitting here, @Recon1511 told me that Garou’s RE is capped out but AD still works, I’m like okay… I argued that Asta’s AD > Garou’s AD and @Maitreya is using RE arguments to counter Asta’s AD?
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Yeah they go hand in hand for Garou lol.
My point was just like what was said. Garou increases his strength by much wider margins is much shorter time frames. That’s all.
My point was just like what was said. Garou increases his strength by much wider margins is much shorter time frames. That’s all.
azontr
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True icl.
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Isnt RE his monster form perks that allow him to literally evolve in combat? While his AD is similar to Asta. His RE literally how Garou jumps tiers.
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Good chose
azontr
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Remove my vote for Asta you dork.
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Yes,
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ASTA FRA
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Right, the difference being you would have to rely on calcs or other means to figure how long they spent, which can’t account for things like how long they’re talking and such, while in Garou’s case there is an actual timer in the manga telling you how long he spent fighting them.
But no, he can do it with both RE and AD, they’re not mutually exclusive towards one another. In fact the example I cited, Garou underwent no transformation. He just simply got better as he fought someone in that timeframe.
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Im not done arguing, I need a distinction between Garou’s RE and AD… but you can* vote I guess.
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Just take the L man
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Ah ok
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Reactive evolution doesn’t necessarily entail Garou transforming in any way, it just means when presented with a threat one’s body will evolve in some way to mitigate that threat.
An example is when just standing still due to Psykos using her espresso powers on Garou, his body naturally evolved to that level of psychokinesis to the point where he could once again move. Or like when Garou’s body become more immune and resistant to things such as poison and heat.
Accelerated Development is purely a stat amp. Like what Garou did against platinum sperm. He only increased his speed and skill in that fight so his body didn’t “evolve” it simply “developed.”
An example is when just standing still due to Psykos using her espresso powers on Garou, his body naturally evolved to that level of psychokinesis to the point where he could once again move. Or like when Garou’s body become more immune and resistant to things such as poison and heat.
Accelerated Development is purely a stat amp. Like what Garou did against platinum sperm. He only increased his speed and skill in that fight so his body didn’t “evolve” it simply “developed.”
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Exactly, thanks for clarifying yourself before I responded to your last post. I think Garou’s AD increases his strength too, yknow before the whole monsterification thing. Also your example looks like adaptibility where he builds resistance to paralysis or whatever.
Just take the L man
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(It's the Garou Mob Mentality at work. Just ignore it)
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You accidentally typed “can’t vote” instead of “can” I think what that was.
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Oh my bad
RandomGuy2345
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Average Garou meat rider.Just take the L man
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Okay so I know Saitama triggered his monster form to evolve faster and stronger when he capped at 6-A. Probably why he has a new key.
So if RE has capped before this ^^ and his AD is still working, how good is Garou’s AD compared to Asta’s
So if RE has capped before this ^^ and his AD is still working, how good is Garou’s AD compared to Asta’s
Recon1511
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I'm not strawmanning anything, how do shockwaves not travel through a metal sword? Is it because it has "supernatural energy"? Why would "supernatural energy" just deflect or dissipate shockwaves? That makes no senseI literally just saw “shockwaves can travel through air”anyway I’ll respond to that later
I noticed you always strawman my points
earlier you didn’t even address the upscale chain when talking about my piercing damage. Now you only care about the metal when I literally boldenned “supernatural energy”
Besides, the Roaring Aura Sky Ripping Fist is a combination of the Water Stream Rock Smashing Fist and the Whirlwind Iron Cutting Fist which creates shockwaves and air slashes like these (Not to mention the range of the shockwaves of the RASRF itself is much higher than that considering Sage's kilometers wide and long body would suffer its effects) so even IF Asta's sword has some "supernatural energy" that dissipates the shockwaves travelling through it for some reason, the fact that one of these air slashes could avoid the sword entirely, grace Asta and instant incap him mean the battle is over.
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It doesn’t dissipate shockwaves. You’re claiming Garou can make shockwaves off of anything even energy itself.
Recon1511
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I don't even know what this means
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I am not sure what you are talking about. Since we are talking about their growth in terms of power, both abilities are literally the same. It is not like Garou uses his RE to develop resistance to some ability of Asta
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His shockwave martial arts stuff works on the body. So I am asking if it has been shown to move through or bypass Anti Magic energy that is reinforcing Asta's iron swords.
Lucifero (capable of out skilling 4 fighters that included 2 swordsmen with their own skill chain) and Ichika (has her own chain and her fighting style embodies both taijutsu and kenjutsu and could initially out-skill Asta who was skilled enough to out-skill Lucifero after the time skip) I made a skill chain for Asta two days ago.
Drop the association fallacy. AD and RE may be similar but they are different. His RE comes from monsterification and his AD is innate. His jump to 6-A was due to his RE which peaked before Saitama triggered his Monsterification again to keep evolving to 5-C.
His RE has capped at 6-A and that's what's being used for this Match. So how good is Garou's AD compared to Asta's?
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Garou has RE from the first Key
