Assassin vs Berserker

[Gemmysaur]

Fate Stay Night Assassin, Sasaki Kojiro

vs

Fate Zero Berserker, Lancelot du Lac

A battle of skill


Battle Conditions:

Stats Equalized

Assassin has Monohoshizao

Berserker has Arondight but has no stat amp; Berserker's armor has no helmet

Tsubame Gaeshi locked

Battle Location:


vs map vytal

 

[ThisIsMySwagPack]

Saber barely scratched Lancelot with Excalibur. How is Sasaki gonna damage his armor?

 

[Reppuzan]

He did say Stats Equalized (but that makes the fight mostly pointless), but the Monohoshizao is simply an inferior sword. Heck, Gilgamesh could block Tsubame Gaeshi by covering his head with his hands. Lancelot's armor isn't that far behind, so I'll give it to him.

 

[Aurugermil]

Lancelot is an exceptional fighter. I think the novel or somewhere else stated that Gilgamesh won't be able to insta-win the 4th Grail War because of Lancelot.

 

[KamiYasha]

So, it's merely an skill fight.

My vote goes to Sasaki then. Among the 4th and 5th War he is one of (if not) the most skilled about swordmanship where: "not even Gilgamesh would want to face him in a battle of swordsmanship. Lancer comments that he wouldn't like fighting him one on one and would prefer to kill him off from a distance."

 

[Yamatohime]

If we go by skill then we should remember that one mastered swordsmanship as much as humanly possible and other simply went beyond human limits and got divine like skill with sword.

 

[Reppuzan]

If we go by skill then we should remember that one mastered swordsmanship as much as humanly possible and other simply went beyond human limits and got divine like skill with sword.

You're right that Assassin outdoes everyone in the series in terms of swordsmanship with the possible exception of Lancelot and Siegfried (who kept up with the Gilgamesh-class Karna), but the problem for me comes down to armor.

Durability might be equalized, but there's still the topic of Lancelot's armor which (with some extreme strain from Kariya's weak condition) let him get up after being run over by an A-Rank Noble Phantasm with no real injuries. Can Tsubame Gaeshi cut through that?

 

[Gemmysaur]

So, what about we get Lancelot to lose the helmet to make it fair game?

He still has Eternal Arms to compensate for it anyway, and given the setting, he has a good selection of weapons.

 

[Yamatohime]

You're right that Assassin outdoes everyone in the series in terms of swordsmanship with the possible exception of Lancelot and Siegfried (who kept up with the Gilgamesh-class Karna), but the problem for me comes down to armor.

No exception. Lancelot below Kojiro's level in terms of swordsmanship but unlike him he was master of many arms. Siegfried kept up with Karna because of his own NP and compatability.

Durability might be equalized, but there's still the topic of Lancelot's armor which (with some extreme strain from Kariya's weak condition) let him get up after being run over by an A-Rank Noble Phantasm with no real injuries. Can Tsubame Gaeshi cut through that?

It sure can't since even lesser armor of Gilgamesh (actualy its armor has kind of iffy protection) can withstand TG.

 

[Gemmysaur]

Bump.

 

[Gemmysaur]

Ba-ba-bump.

 

[Yamatohime]

I doubt that anything changes. Lancelot can easily damage Sasaki's sword...

 

[TheBeastOfAlaya]

yeah as i like assasin lancelot will win this . Saber gets hurt so much because he slash her in her neck elbow joint and under her chestplate . Lancelot has full body armor without helmet so assassin sword (which is not noble phantasm or low-rank one ) cant cut trought armor .

Then Arondight is a sister sword to Excalibur and he has enough strenght and abilities to fight with sasaki for enought long to break his sword and dont be cut in his unarmored head and his armor will tank anything else . And then sasaki is dead

 

[Zero_Omega_EX]

Well it is about 56/44 favor of Lancelot just because of much better weapon and armor minus the head, since in pure skills, beyond human capability(Assassin)>>>>>humanly possible(Lancelot) obviously. Even though it is unfair to lock Tsubame Gaeshi since it is not NP anyways, it is the pinnacle of his skills(much like Lancelot's EAM), lowering his chance by a lot.

 

[Zero_Omega_EX]

You're right that Assassin outdoes everyone in the series in terms of swordsmanship with the possible exception of Lancelot and Siegfried (who kept up with the Gilgamesh-class Karna), but the problem for me comes down to armor.

No exception. Lancelot below Kojiro's level in terms of swordsmanship but unlike him he was master of many arms. Siegfried kept up with Karna because of his own NP and compatability.

Durability might be equalized, but there's still the topic of Lancelot's armor which (with some extreme strain from Kariya's weak condition) let him get up after being run over by an A-Rank Noble Phantasm with no real injuries. Can Tsubame Gaeshi cut through that?

It sure can't since even lesser armor of Gilgamesh (actualy its armor has kind of iffy protection) can withstand TG.

Where in the world did you get that Gil's armor can withstand TG? Actually there is a treasure inside GoB that he needs to pull out that can block TG phenomenon not the Golden armor. And Tsubame Gaeshi actually got good cutting power too.

 

[Yamatohime]

Where in the world did you get that Gil's armor can withstand TG? Actually there is a treasure inside GoB that he needs to pull out that can block TG phenomenon not the Golden armor. And Tsubame Gaeshi actually got good cutting power too.

Because unpowered Excalibur couldn't make a dent in it while the same Excalibur managed to bent Assassin Sword after one direct hit?

 

[Promestein]

Also, Nasu said Gilgamesh can protect himself from TG by raising his arms over his head.

 

[Yamatohime]

Also, Nasu said Gilgamesh can protect himself from TG by raising his arms over his head.

It's because Gil had no helmet. He need to protect his head with gauntlets.

 

[Promestein]

Yes, I'm aware, I was just bringing that up to support Gil's armour being capable of tanking TG

 

[ScarletFirefly]

I'm going with Lancelot here.

He's mad, unrelentless, but also extremely precise. His mastery of arms is unparalleled thanks to his A+ Eternal Arms Mastership. The guy won a sword fight with an elm branch. Kojiro may be more skilled in sword, but anything else and Lancelot puts him to shame.

Also his armor poses a real problem to Kojiro. Even if we remove his helmet, he can simply raise his hands above his head to protect himself. Not to mention Kojiro's Katana is frail as hell, a single clash with Arondight or his armor, and it will 100% suffer denting.

 

[Zero_Omega_EX]

I'm going with Lancelot here.
He's mad, unrelentless, but also extremely precise. His mastery of arms is unparalleled thanks to his A+ Eternal Arms Mastership. The guy won a sword fight with an elm branch. Kojiro may be more skilled in sword, but anything else and Lancelot puts him to shame.

Also his armor poses a real problem to Kojiro. Even if we remove his helmet, he can simply raise his hands above his head to protect himself. Not to mention Kojiro's Katana is frail as hell, a single clash with Arondight or his armor, and it will 100% suffer denting.

You seems to wank Lancelot having the best skill there is huh. Yes, he can use any weapons but it wont matter because Assassin is leagues higher than Lancelot in terms of fighting skills no matter what weapon Lancelot uses. This is like master of all weapons vs beyond superhuman sword skill, a jack of all trades vs a sword specialist. Won a fight with an elm branch? Sasaki won a fight against reality and made him capable of bending reality with just his skills. And we already know that Assassin is more than capable of holding his ground against stronger opponents.

Of course in the end without access to TG, and Lancelot having access to most of his abilities and superior equipment, Lancelot wins by high difficulty.

 

[Zero_Omega_EX]

Also, Nasu said Gilgamesh can protect himself from TG by raising his arms over his head.

Source?

 

[LTB2000]

You guys do know that a stat equalized match won't be added since it makes the tiering system pointless.

 

[Zero_Omega_EX]

I know that, maybe they don't lol, I was just arguing about who got better fighting skill here really and by the way the balancing conditions here is still no enough to give assassin a leverage because locking TG? Seriously?

 

[Gemmysaur]

I never made this with the intention of adding it to any character's profile. It's only for debating on who is more skilled between the two, regardless of tiering.

Anyways, what about stats equal, Zerker has no helmet, and Tsubame Gaeshi is allowed.

But if Zerker is in too much a disadvantage, then the fight happens on a street in front of an IKEA store.

 

[ScarletFirefly]

Anyways, what about stats equal, Zerker has no helmet, and Tsubame Gaeshi is allowed.

But if Zerker is in too much a disadvantage, then the fight happens on a street in front of an IKEA store.

Lancelot jump into a store cart and suddenly the cart stransforms into a monstrous vehicle with turbo boosters and capable of launching infrared homing missiles ┬»_(Òâä)_/┬»

But seriously, I think Assassin won't get the chance to unleash TG, Lancelot is a crazed and constantly moving target, he will probably launch head first putting Assassin on the defense. One or two clashes, and that Walmart-bought Katana of his is done for.

 

[JBennett]

while I do say that Assassin is the better swordsman since he is better then saber so he has a good advantage there unforchunatly Assassin's strength comes from him having the higher ground during canon.

If all states are equal and Berserker can only use aronlight then I can see either one winning if only through certin conditions. since their equal in physical stats then Assassin will be able to handle Berserker's strength leaving all down to Skill and Assassin has the advantage there. Assassin can win because of his swordsman skill is higher then Berserker so he should be able to counter Berserker but Berserker can win if he sacrefice himself and took a hit from Assassin just to kill Assassin.

beyond that I can mostly see this being a stalemate since Assassin's blade wouldn't be able to handle Aronlight and Lancelot's armor and Berserker is jsut unable to out skill Assassin.

also just let everyone know since Berserker is using Arollight and has remove his helmet then his ablility to use anywepon is unavailable, it is specifically stated that he has to descard it to use Aronlight.

 

[Yamatohime]

Necromancy is still necromancy...

And Lancelot is master of all knight arms and superior to all Round Table in terms of skills. He is so skilled that even as Berserker (with hindered motor skills) he still superior in skill to Saber.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Yamatohime

Well, Mad Enhancement wasn't really a problem given that Eternal Arms Mastership explicitly states that his motor skills would not be dulled in the face of mental interference. It's just that he wasn't clear enough in the head to use Arondight-Overload.

However, I just realized that this is a stat equalized fight and thus must be closed.