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Sasaki Kojiro Vs Reinhard

This is a very interesting matchup.
Kojiro outskills Reinhard in pure sword skill, and we need to debate if his Knowledge of Respect and Harmony counters Reinhard's Divine Protection of First Sight, Proceeding Attack Immunity(Reinhard's OP auto-dodges), and Divine Protection of the Sword Saint or not.
And I'm not sure if Kojiro's simultaneous triple possibility slash thing is even block/dodgable in the first place.

On the other hand, Reinhard literally cannot stay dead with his revival hax, while Kojiro can be killed and sent back to the Hall of Heroes.
 
I cant say for sure but i wonder if harmony actually could counter first attack immunity since unlike how normal people first see their opponents attack and then gauge their ability, Rejnhards ability is simply auto dodge. If we assume all surprise attacks are negated then it would also account for probability manipulation or atleast it should in theory. The same goes for proceeding attack immunity.

All of this boils down to one question:
Can assassin's harmony bypass other abilities that counter it?
 
But if we are talking about an actual long standing battle then i am pretty sure Reinhard could get a hit in with his Initiative blessing and he did probably win due to that
 
SatellaTheWoE said:
I cant say for sure but i wonder if harmony actually could counter first attack immunity since unlike how normal people first see their opponents attack and then gauge their ability, Rejnhards ability is simply auto dodge. If we assume all surprise attacks are negated then it would also account for probability manipulation or atleast it should in theory. The same goes for proceeding attack immunity.

All of this boils down to one question:
Can assassin's harmony bypass other abilities that counter it?
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If harmony doesn't counter the defensive blessings, Kojiro is pretty much ******. It doesn't matter how skilled he is when every slash he makes is auto-dodged + predicted, and if a lethal blow somehow lands it will be instantly shrugged off.
Reinhard most likely gets his first hit in through Initiative either way yeah.
 
shansome said:
If harmony doesn't counter the defensive blessings, Kojiro is pretty much ******. It doesn't matter how skilled he is when every slash he makes is auto-dodged + predicted, and if a lethal blow somehow lands it will be instantly shrugged off.
Reinhard most likely gets his first hit in through Initiative either way yeah.
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Harmony definitely counters Reinhard's blessings.
 
Then Kojiro keeps killing Reinhard and Reinhard just keeps coming back to life until Reinhard eventually gets a lethal slash in by cutting through space. And Reinhard's first slash will always land, thanks to Initiative.
 
shansome said:
Then Kojiro keeps killing Reinhard and Reinhard just keeps coming back to life until Reinhard eventually gets a lethal slash in by cutting through space. And Reinhard's first slash will always land, thanks to Initiative.
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Initiative wouldn't work either.
Fate Manipulation (Servants with B-rank Luck or higher can change their own fates to evade inevitable outcomes such as having their hearts destroyed by Gáe Bolg)
 
Greatsage13th said:
Can't Kojirou incap with paralysis inducement or fear?
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He's resisted a powerful character completely in his verse who kills people by manipulating minds and emotions.
How does Kojirou's paralysis inducement work? The page just says sword ki in his second key.
 
Greatsage13th said:
Well...then Kojiro would continue to kill Reinhard non-stop for twenty days.
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  • Sword Saint: An ability which maxes out his Swordsmanship, and allows him to be able to draw Reid, the Dragon Sword. Also grants the user the ability to see floating white rays of battle which if they were to merely follow the rays and trace them with their sword, they would unquestionably kill their opponent. The ability grants the user battle instincts which are heightened to perfection, and they can see, and read the trajectories of their opponent's attacks.
While Divine Protection of the Sword Saint can no longer predict Kojiro's attacks due to harmony, it will still grant him the funny floating white lines that tell him exactly where to slash for maximum effectiveness.
It might take two days or two weeks, but Reinhard will eventually get a slash in against him.
 
azontr said:
Do the number of people effected equate to layers in Re:Zero? Because number of people effected no longer equates to potency.
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Is that so? But the mind manip used was super powerful, for context, Sirius loterally entered the city and ine quarter of the entire city was under her control. Then she spoke over a microphone and the entire city was affected. Is his mind manip stronger than that? Oh and he scales to witches whose mere presence is enough to drive a human insane and make them kill themselves almost instantly
 
SatellaTheWoE said:
Is that so? But the mind manip used was super powerful, for context, Sirius loterally entered the city and ine quarter of the entire city was under her control. Then she spoke over a microphone and the entire city was affected. Is his mind manip stronger than that? Oh and he scales to witches whose mere presence is enough to drive a human insane and make them kill themselves almost instantly
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Well, if he's shown to resist that it would still be a baseline resistance. To get a layered resistance, he'd need to be shown to resist mind manipulation that bypasses resistances. Then his mind resistance would be one layer above baseline. Layers basically work through how many resistances can it bypass until it stops being effective.

So, for example, if Character A had an ability that worked on Character B despite their resistance to said ability, character A would have one-layer to that ability. If Character C then resisted Character A's ability, Character C would have a single-layered resistance, and rinse and repeat.

Does Reinhard have something like this?
 
azontr said:
So, for example, if Character A had an ability that worked on Character B despite their resistance to said ability, character A would have one-layer to that ability. If Character C then resisted Character A's ability, Character C would have a single-layered resistance, and rinse and repeat.

Does Reinhard have something like this?
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Ye, Reinhard has single-layered mind manip resistance due to him being able to resist mind manip that another char with mind manip resistance couldn't.
 
Sirius's Authority of Wrath manipulates the soul, senses, emotions, and sometimes straight up mind controls people. For example, she can turn an entire town square into an enraged and feral crowd, kill one person, and then transfer the damage to kill every single person in that town square. Or she can completely brainwash a group of people.
When he fights her, Reinhard resists her authority completely.
 
How does Reinhard escape any of Kojiros attacks? Kojiro nothingness matches Musashis zero. Kojiro is able to accept countless possibilities at once, and creating many more. This is the ultimate purpose of Kojiro's Swallow Reversal, to create a future that not even the gods nor the Buddha can avoid.
 
OriginFox said:
How does Reinhard escape any of Kojiros attacks? Kojiro nothingness matches Musashis zero. Kojiro is able to accept countless possibilities at once, and creating many more. This is the ultimate purpose of Kojiro's Swallow Reversal, to create a future that not even the gods nor the Buddha can avoid.
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With his auto-dodge nullified by harmony, Reinhard has no way to dodge that move and it'll probably kill him.
 
shansome said:
With his auto-dodge nullified by harmony, Reinhard has no way to dodge that move and it'll probably kill him.
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They're similar in terms of stats so I doubt it'll be an instant kill of anything. Reinhard will just have a hard time trying to adjust to Kojiro
 
SatellaTheWoE said:
Honestly speaking, i doubt that their fight would last for an eternity, Saber has limited stamina meaning that if Reinhard engages him for long enough he did win via stamina(holy crap stamina became relevant)
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But for a time, Saber would be hacking and slashing Reinhard endlessly to death for many days.
 
There was a whole debate... a year ago now, about what counts as incapacitating. Having to actively refresh an ability resets the timer.

Also, Reinhard just steps outside of Kojiro's range and nukes. Neither is bloodlusted also, Koji will absolutely stop the fight for quips and talking.
 
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