Aren't we wanking JoJo just a little bit?

[KoichiSamakibara]

I'm not even complaining about OP Stands in general, my problem is with Stands whose Strenght is Tier A (JoJo Tier, that is).

A Tier Stands have little to no Multi-City Block feats, while they have literal thousands of consistent Small Building, Building to Large Building feats. There's like, two or three instances of them doing anything on the MCB Level. Isn't that what we call an outiller?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

While I know nothing about JJ. I wouldn't call it wanking....There may be some calc that put them that high.

 

[KoichiSamakibara]

While I know nothing about JJ. I wouldn't call it wanking....There may be some calc that put them that high.

The problem is, there are a few calculations that put them that high, but countless others that are far more consistent put them at those levels. Altough I agree that Small Building Level is more like Tier B Stands, Large Building Level has shown to be the greatest consistent Stand feat in JoJo done by Tier A Stands no less.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

>Literal Thousands

You're most likely exagerrating

If I'm not wrong, they don't have that much feats, and people much lower than them also did 9-A to 8-C feats.

 

[KoichiSamakibara]

>Literal Thousands
You're most likely exagerrating

If I'm not wrong, they don't have that much feats, and people much lower than them also did 9-A to 8-C feats.

Eh, not really. Star Platinum's punching feats were very consistent, usually barring at Building Level. You could say Tier A Stands are City Block due to Part 6 stating Stone Free's punches being as strong as the impact of a small meteor, but MCB is too much considering were talknig about a Tier of Stands whose strongest couldn't even stop ROAD ROLLER.

Also, if you're talking about Hamon users, you're making a fool out of yourself, Part 1 and 2 characters could be pierced by bullets rather easily. Building Level tops with the exception of Kars, of course.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

@Koichi Hey man watch it. No one is making a fool out of anyone.

 

[Gwynbleiddd]

Everything Cross asked me to calc related to JoJo turned out to be between Small Bulding and Building level, you can see the calcs on my blogs if you want.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

I hope you know that even Wall level could destroy a Road Roller. You can't use it to say Stands are only Building.

If you haven't read our profiles, we have Part 1-2 at MCB too (With early Part 1 being 9-A). Kars is considered 7-C to 7-A with the Red Stone of Aja.

If you want that argument to stand, you'd have to disprove all that.

 

[Gwynbleiddd]

@Saikou i'm not sure i understand what you are saying.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

I was refering to Koichi claiming that Jojo Part 1-2 was bullet level.

 

[KoichiSamakibara]

@Dragonmasterxyz

People need to seriously read the manga. No one in Part 1 or 2 is near MCB with the exception of Kars. They struggle with bullets and falls from great heights and yet they receive MCB durability.

Hamon Users aren't that strong physically. Their endurance is extraordinary given they can lose a large amount of blood and keep fighting. Hamon Users are usually Wall Level, with Hamon as their trump card against Zombies, Vampires and the Pillar Men who are pretty strong actually, Building Level at most. I guess that people like Jonathan and Joseph can be said to be Building Level, but that's only after their respective Zepelli give them their remaining Hamon that boost their own significantly (Jonathan could overpower Tarkus, Dio's strongest Zombie who stated that he himself couldn't free himself of that steel collar that JoJo had around his neck).

Kars really was a 100 times the Hamon User that Joseph was, so I'm fine with his Ultimate Life Form classification, Base Kars should be revised. Stroheim died in WW II, probably killed by a bullet to the head (you would think an army with someone at MCB could win the war easily, but they still lost).

Then we have the Stands, the thing that I love the most about JoJo. But people think that just because Stands are Stands their power is superior to that of the Pillar Men or Vampires... Even tough DIO could best Kakyoin's Emerald Splash with just a finger, Jonathan was up there with him, may I remind you. Tier A Stands may have a few MCB feats, as inconsistent as they are, even tough we see Star Platinum struggling to stop Road Roller in the final battle. City Block is fine actually, due to SP being able to crush DIO's skull and SF powerscalling.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Have AMM take a look at this

 

[Darkmon_cns]

I was refering to Koichi claiming that Jojo Part 1-2 was bullet level.

No he said they could be perced by bullets.

 

[KoichiSamakibara]

I was refering to Koichi claiming that Jojo Part 1-2 was bullet level.

No he said they could be perced by bullets.

And they are, one of the first fights in JoJo revolved around JoJo making swiss cheese out of a Vampire's body and using a granade to severely injure the latter. Straights only survived these wounds thanks to vampiric Regenerationn when you look at it.

 

[SomebodyData]

Heres the calc for Tier A's stats http://www.narutoforums.com/xfa-blo...ventures-star-platinum-inhales-justice.34747/

Which comes from SP breathing

(Just putting this here in case its needed.)

 

[KoichiSamakibara]

Heres the calc for Tier A's stats http://www.narutoforums.com/xfa-blo...ventures-star-platinum-inhales-justice.34747/
Which comes from SP breathing

(Just putting this here in case its needed.)

It's the same as Roshi destroying the moon, even tough I might have a piece of info or two that might turn the tides to Roshi's case.

When Roshi destroyed the moon and latter someone stronger than him topped at city level, what happened?

Now, when The World punches Jotaro and dosen't kill him (who, by the way, has to dodge bullets since they can still injure him) dosen't lose that MCB ranking.

When Star Platinum does that ORA barrage, it isn't to kill. Jotaro isn't a killer, he only punches him/her with enough strenght to "retire" them for the rest of their lives. A good example of a person geting one shotted by a Stand is Kakyoin. Punched through the gut by The World and sent flying against a banner.

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

Interestingly enough, it appears that Iwandesu (at the very end) recalculated the feat to be City Block level (this is using the 30 second timeframe, which is sourced in the calculation) so make of that as you will.

"When Roshi destroyed the moon and latter someone stronger than him topped at city level, what happened?"

Not a really good comparison, since Star Platinum is stated and shown to be the apex of physical combat.

"They struggle with bullets and falls from great heights"

Yeah that's more of a PIS case, considering that your typical vampire can distribute/withstand Small Building level's worth of energy at the very least.

Edit: From Iwandesu's calculation, I guess a proposal of adjusting Star Platinum's attack potency/durability from MCB+ to City Block would be fair.

 

[Dark649]

Edit: From Iwandesu's calculation, I guess a proposal of adjusting Star Platinum's attack potency/durability from MCB+ to City Block would be fair.

This scales to most of the characters which is a more reasonable tier.

 

[KoichiSamakibara]

Interestingly enough, it appears that Iwandesu (at the very end) recalculated the feat to be City Block level (this is using the 30 second timeframe, which is sourced in the calculation) so make of that as you will.
"When Roshi destroyed the moon and latter someone stronger than him topped at city level, what happened?"

Not a really good comparison, since Star Platinum is stated and shown to be the apex of physical combat.

"They struggle with bullets and falls from great heights"

Yeah that's more of a PIS case, considering that your typical vampire can distribute/withstand Small Building level's worth of energy at the very least.

Edit: From Iwandesu's calculation, I guess a proposal of adjusting Star Platinum's attack potency/durability from MCB+ to City Block would be fair.

"Yeah that's more of a PIS case, considering that your typical vampire can distribute/withstand Small Building level's worth of energy at the very least." You have to consider that Araki (the manga's author) consistently portrays bullets (and falls from great heights) as a threat to most of his characters, it has to be considered. I mean, he persisted on it for 7 Arcs already.

"Not a really good comparison, since Star Platinum is stated and shown to be the apex of physical combat."

So was Roshi back in the day. And we have yet to consider Roshi's proficiency with Ki and that Piccolo was out of shape (Roshi can probably concentrate Ki better than Piccolo could, tho. The Piccolo being out of shape this is due to him being sealed in the rice pot for centuries).

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

You have to consider that Araki (the manga's author) consistently portrays bullets as a threat to most of his characters, it has to be considered. I mean, he persisted on it for 7 Arcs already.

Stand Users themselves being vulnerable to bullets I can understand. Hamon users (like Joseph), vampires (Like Dio) and pillar men being vulnerable to bullets are cases of plot induced stupidity. When you factor their feats such as being superior to beings who can shatter cliffs, and demolish small buildings. By saying they can be harmed by bullets, you're basically saying that we should make them have Street Level durability.

I'll take an extreme scenario, a planet level being gets injured by your regular 9mm bullets on a regular basis and nothing is said about bullets being a weakness. How would you deal with it?

 

[KoichiSamakibara]

You have to consider that Araki (the manga's author) consistently portrays bullets as a threat to most of his characters, it has to be considered. I mean, he persisted on it for 7 Arcs already.

Stand Users themselves being vulnerable to bullets I can understand. Hamon users (like Joseph), vampires (Like Dio) and pillar men being vulnerable to bullets are cases of plot induced stupidity. When you factor their feats such as being superior to beings who can shatter cliffs, and demolish small buildings. By saying they can be harmed by bullets, you're basically saying that we should make them have Street Level durability.
I'll take an extreme scenario, a planet level being gets injured by your regular 9mm bullets on a regular basis and nothing is said about bullets being a weakness. How would you deal with it?

That planet level being could be a glass cannon.

Hamon users are usually the case (since Hamon can only be used through their arms and legs, it is possible that other parts of their bodies are vulnerable). In the case of Vampires and Pillar Men, we can credit it to their incredible Regenerationn (Stroheim used a tank killer bullet against Kars, which should be taken into account).

 

[GreatestSin]

Not a really good comparison, since Star Platinum is stated and shown to be the apex of physical combat.

SP is only second, crazy diamond is first in close combat...

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

That answer you gave me is incorrect, it would be plot induced stupidty and discarded without haste. I thought you would have answered that question more logically than you did, but you didnt. In either case, I'm going to close the thread because I doubt you would take my arguments into consideration. And just remain stubborn in using these pis events in the manga. I also would like to make a thread to adjust Jotaro's stats (probably the cast as a whole.) Which is to face it, more important than dealing with this.