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Archie Sonic vs Wally West
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what kinda rule is that
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I'm just taking what I've found in the thread. The Archie Comics have been around since before I was born and DC has been around since before my grandparents were born so you'll forgive me if I haven't read all the direct material.
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Speed Equalization Rules and Assumptions
Per default the following rules and assumptions will be taken if a match takes place in a speed equalized setting:- The combat speed of that faster character is assumed to be equalized to the combat speed of the slower character. Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier. This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight etc.
- Speed Amplification techniques are assumed to grant the same percentile of increase to a character's equalized speeds, as they would to their usual speeds.
- Any speed equalized match, in which a major reason a character loses is due to having a disadvantage against some speed value they usually wouldn't have a disadvantage against, may not be added to profiles.
- As a result, winning a speed equalized match against a faster opponent due to a speed boost so large that it blitzes the opponent will not be added.
- Matches in which characters with Immeasurable speed lose against not-immeasurable passive abilities would likewise not be added, as the Immeasurable characters would normally be faster than the instantaneous passives.
- While time stop, which could be viewed as an infinite speed amplification, is assumed to work even on characters that would usually bypass it via speed, those matches can likewise not be added.
- Abilities based on speed are assumed to be retained. Characters that can run over water via speed can, for example, still do so even if now technically too slow for that. Likewise, a character who can create a tornado by running fast in a circle can still create one by this manner, even though they are now running slower.
- As a result, Immeasurable characters that get speed equalized retain their ability to travel through time, even if it now isn't via speed anymore.
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Wally did his immeasurable speed feat in post crisis. Then did also in rebirth(the most craziest immeasurable speed speed I've seen) in base form.
Faster than barry allen who is immeasurable also. Jay garrick and wally 2(the black one) were also keeping up as they were running for their lives against TDK(the darkest knight) heading towards the mobius chair.
Wally 2 first gased out,then Jay garrick(,don't know of they are immeasurable here yet).
Wally gained more speed from barry as barry told him not to use too much of doctor Manhattan's power. don't remember why tho. Then Wally reached the mobius chair before TDK and told him too slow. And TDK already outpaced all the flashes with his horde of flashes from the dark multiverse.
Which shows.
Wallyhattan >>>>>base wally who is faster than the speed force and TDK(who is immeasurable here also)>>>>than barry>>>jay garrick>>>wally 2.
Faster than barry allen who is immeasurable also. Jay garrick and wally 2(the black one) were also keeping up as they were running for their lives against TDK(the darkest knight) heading towards the mobius chair.
Wally 2 first gased out,then Jay garrick(,don't know of they are immeasurable here yet).
Wally gained more speed from barry as barry told him not to use too much of doctor Manhattan's power. don't remember why tho. Then Wally reached the mobius chair before TDK and told him too slow. And TDK already outpaced all the flashes with his horde of flashes from the dark multiverse.
Which shows.
Wallyhattan >>>>>base wally who is faster than the speed force and TDK(who is immeasurable here also)>>>>than barry>>>jay garrick>>>wally 2.
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speed equalization rules and assumptions
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Can a thread be made to prove who is faster among the 2?
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If that’s the case then what do we do with this match?
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You’d have to upgrade Barry and Jay to use your scaling I suppose. Although TDK is Immeasurable
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Something is the speed force which all speedsters have access to in DC. And wally has the most connected to it among all speedsters. He can tap into the speed force whenever he wants
Get emotional? Yh in flash 2016 and flash forward...(from what I see if sonic tries to prove his faster than sonic) wally can easily get emotional(my opinion).
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Barry already is...don't know of jay and wally 2.
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if you want you can do it. but already, the speed tier top already have sonic characthers at top 3 and 4
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@Teezar Wally out running the Speed Force is 100% nuts, don't get me wrong, but that just puts him above baseline Immeasurable afaik Sonic has consistently blitzed those who are already above baseline Immeasurable, such as Solaris due to being superior to other Immeasurables.
Even if Wally has done the same or similar, Sonic was Immeasurable through the Pre-Great Harmony Chaos Emeralds. And the Great Harmony merged all the Chaos Emeralds across the universe into a more powerful, single set of seven. We're talking about millions of Chaos Emeralds here.
Even if Wally has done the same or similar, Sonic was Immeasurable through the Pre-Great Harmony Chaos Emeralds. And the Great Harmony merged all the Chaos Emeralds across the universe into a more powerful, single set of seven. We're talking about millions of Chaos Emeralds here.
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Lock it. Wally needs his Haxes and Sonic is still getting Haxes.
That’s why there’s a scaling. Because his speed does increase on his own from emotions, that means in his base neutral emotional state, he’s not immeasurable.
I mean, base Archie characters can tap into the Chaos Force whenever they want, but we just don’t put them at low 1-C or at immeasurable speed because of that.
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He can tap into the speed force whenever he needs.
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Isn’t that for every speed feat he has ever done?
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I mean, he is a speedster, his main power is having a connection with Speed Force, so, ye, they are fighting on Peak now, Wally wont start on MFTL+
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You guys know why we are scaling him based on his emotional state, so his speed isn’t called outliers when he gets tagged by non-speed force users, like Cheetah.
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Precisely. He becomes immeasurable whenever he taps into the speed force besides his base was faster than TDK and called him too slow when the speed force was( dying or something else had happened cause TDK infected it).
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What if-
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Yes and no, it depends because of comics but without tapping fully into he’s capable of speed blitz’s Infinite and immeasurable characters
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It will be outlier to characters like cheetah. As Wallyhattan also has precognition to see the past,present and future all at the same time.
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people gotta forgot this, also, thats a outlier to cheetah, not to Speedsters who are constantly the fastest beings
Doctor Manhattan
Jonathan Osterman was born to a watchmaker in 1929 and planned to follow in his father's footsteps, but after the United States dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima, his father urged him to pursue a career in nuclear physics, declaring his profession outdated. Osterman attended Princeton...
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So him needing Barry’s speed to beat TDK was casual base Wally? That was a casual event?
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doesnt wallyhatten technically have type 3 acauslaity?
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Lmao this thread is getting confusing
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Yeah, that’s what I mean by sonic is currently in a CRT. Sonic is getting some resistances.people gotta forgot this, also, thats a outlier to cheetah, not Speedsters who are constantly the fastest beings
Doctor Manhattan
Jonathan Osterman was born to a watchmaker in 1929 and planned to follow in his father's footsteps, but after the United States dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima, his father urged him to pursue a career in nuclear physics, declaring his profession outdated. Osterman attended Princeton...
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He was already outpacing TDK for some time.. it took about 4 to 5 comics before TDK started closing in on them, then wally wanted to tap into Manhattan's power to reach the mobius chair. Then barry told him.not to do so and instead gave wally some of his speed. As the speed force also was already infected by TDK.
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I literally never mentioned Omniscience as a argument, what are u talking about?
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How is that possible? Besides wally just got upgraded....time needs to be taken before All hax are added including Manhattan profile.
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Describes the Source of All
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There's still this regardless of a potential scaling chain for Wally. There were enough Chaos Emeralds to cover the planet and create an ocean (It's in the Chaos Emeralds' profile). And each set of 7 Pre-Harmony Chaos Emeralds were already Immeasurable. Then they were merged into a single set that the cast uses from there on out. People in-verse have even said the more Chaos Emeralds, the better.
Archie Immeasurables (Post-Great Harmony) are unfathomable with how high they are into Immeasurable speed. I think it's safe to say Super Sonic is faster regardless.
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What are u talking about? When did I mentioned Omniscience?
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Yh,he does.
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I’m pretty sure I tagged Teezar’s description to what I’m referring to
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if u're talking about Teezar, why did u tagged me?
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Wally currently has nigh omniscient knowledge plus precognition of the past,present and future.
He sees all and knows all. Plus I don't see how sonic has nigh omniscient resistance?
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I don't understand.
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CRT for Sonic is happening right now covering that.
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