Archie Sonic: Should True Enerjak be a High 2-A?

[Rizzy27]

Judging by these scans Scan 1 and Scan 2 , the place Knuckles went after he died, he was talking to the Brotherhood of Guardians who stated they were on a higher plane of existence and then they proceeded to say that there was an even higher Plane(The Chaos Force) where the Ancient Walkers and Aurora reside the same two characters who couldn't defeat True Enerjak

 

[Cropfist]

I agree with this upgrade. Being stronger than someone who's higher-dimensional relative to a weaker tier 2 form should warrant high multiversal+ alone.

 

[Rizzy27]

bump

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

It seems to be legit i think

 

[Darkmon_cns]

This makes sense

 

[Executor_N0]

Hmmm.

I think the most certain would be:

Attack Potency: High Multiverse level+ (Become one with the Chaos Force, a realm above the space-time of infinite universes.)

 

[Withersoul_235]

I agree.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Seems reasonable

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

Seems reasonable to me as well.

Would this affect Sigma in any way? Just curious.

 

[Cropfist]

Sigma should also be high multiversal+, but for unrelated reasons.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay, I suppose that somebody could modify the profile according to Executor's suggestion then.

 

[Cropfist]

Someone could unlock the page?

 

[Antvasima]

I will do so.

 

[Antvasima]

Since the edits have been made, I will close this thread.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Re-opened. According to Cropfist, some characters weren't upgraded.

 

[Cropfist]

Yes, this upgrade should scale to Chaos Knuckles (also one with the Chaos Force), Turbo Tails (fought Chaos Knuckles) and after looking more into Darkanine's post God Sigma should also be upgraded.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

I don't think chaos knuckles should scall he maybe one with the chaos force but his dead ancestors also describe themselves as one with the chaos force and enerjak is far beyond them.

 

[Cropfist]

He may not be exactly as strong as Enerjak, but he still inhabits the same level of existence and high multiversal is very wide. He should not be infinitely below him.

 

[Darkness552]

Turbo Tails didn't fight Chaos Knuckles when he transcended

and God Sigma would not scale because

1. Has nothing to do with the Chaos Force at all

2. Transcending the limitations of infinite Universes is the reason I think he got downgraded less than High 2-A

@Darkmon cns

His dead ancestors didn't get accepted by Aurora to be part of the Chaos Force although they had already transcended when they first died

 

[Cropfist]

God Sigma's feat is ultimately the same one that puts True Enerjak at High 2-A though (transcending infinite universes).

 

[Darkness552]

no its not, Enerjak is where he is because after the Guardians die they transcend(4-D but likely a Spatial Dimension) but to get to the Chaos Force they have to wait Aurora to send a herald to get them so they can then transcend to be one with Chaos Force which is at least 5-D

God Sigma only has transcend all limitations of infinite universes which in terms of higher dimensions would only get you up to 4-D

 

[Antvasima]

Well, transcending infinite universes is usually counted as a full 5-D feat around here.

Technically speaking, all 2-C to 2-A feats require a 5-D axis of movement to stack the 4-D universes along, but, geometrically speaking, given that the required 5-D space would be extremely small, even for a countably infinite number of universes, we tend to rate large 5-D beings with a separate High 2-A tier.

 

[Darkness552]

then why was Sigma downgraded

also sorry for my seemingly ignorance, i have to read up on the tiering system again

 

[Cropfist]

For some reason he was never High 2-A to begin with.

 

[Darkness552]

I believe he was when i created the page

 

[Cropfist]

Okay. With this information, can Knuckles and Sigma be upgraded?

 

[Antvasima]

@Darkness552

No problem.

I think that we would need more community input from people who remember the discussion.

Also, on second thought, being above infinite universes should probably be interpreted as "At least 2-A", to stay on the safe side.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

@Ant

Aren't there many characters from SMT rated "At least 2-A" for a similar reason? If so, I agree.

 

[Antvasima]

It seems like The living tribunal1, CrossverseCrisis, KuuIchigo, and Darkanine might be able to help, if you wish to inform them about this thread:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Sigma_(Worlds_Unite)?action=history

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

Looks like The Living Tribunal1 was the one who downgraded him. I'm not to knowledgeable in Archie Sonic, but "transcending all limitations" on a Infinite Multiversal scale sounds like a High 2-A feat to me, plus "transcending all limitations" sounds like he'd be superior to Enerjack but like I said, I'm not to knowledgeable on the series.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for the input.