Anya Forger Vs kiyotaka Ayanokouji (10-3-0)

[XxZetsuxX]

I'm talking about without the possibly rating

Without, but the op did not specify it was without it so...

 

[Rayfire]

Koji with class 5 can legit tear her arms apart lol

Has he ever done that in canon before?

Also, she'll still be able to hurt him, she still has an AP advantage and things like headbutts will still damage him. Ayanokoji can't really restrain her for too long, or else he'll take too much damage. Kinda why anya will have a much easier time being close to koji than koji will with her.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Has he ever done that in canon before?

No, it's just a possibility and the fact she won't be able to shake him off once he gets the chance

Also, she'll still be able to hurt him, she still has an AP advantage and things like headbutts will still damage him. Ayanokoji can't really restrain her for too long, or else he'll take too much damage. Kinda why anya will have a much easier time being close to koji than koji will with her.

If she has no stamina, She cannot move lol

 

[Rayfire]

Kinda why anya will have a much easier time being close to koji than koji will with her.

And this is also kinda the main point, these two can only fight in standard melee range and anya has no worries doing that.

 

[Rayfire]

If she has no stamina, She cannot move lol

Even if anya got tired, what is ayanokoji gonna do? He needs to hit her a ton of times to win with the gap and that simply isn't feasible if anya knows everything he will do.

No, it's just a possibility and the fact she won't be able to shake him off once he gets the chance

But if anya struggles with headbutts, punches, or just plain childish kicking, he'll take damage from that. He can't restrain her for too long unless he can somehow grow extra limbs to hold down her head, arms, legs, all at once.

 

[Huesito88]

And this is also kinda the main point, these two can only fight in standard melee range and anya has no worries doing that.

Ok then what is Anya going to do to damage Koji if she's avoiding a confrontation in standard melee range?

 

[XxZetsuxX]

And this is also kinda the main point, these two can only fight in standard melee range and anya has no worries doing that.

Just no, If Koji is mounted on her like what he did with Ryuen with no stamina, she is cooked, Just place the legs on top of her arm and grab her chin and start punching in her temple, nose or something and she is out cold

 

[XxZetsuxX]

But if anya struggles with headbutts, punches, or just plain childish kicking, he'll take damage from that. He can't restrain her for too long unless he can somehow grow extra limbs to hold down her head, arms, legs, all at once.

Koji tanks with no difficulty whatsover, the difference is barely high and he has taken hits from people stronger than him as a kid for years to the point of that thinking of the pain was just a waste of energy lol

 

[Rayfire]

Just no, If Koji is mounted on her like what he did with Ryuen with no stamina, she is cooked, Just place the legs on top of her arm and grab her chin and start punching in her temple, nose or something and she is out cold

6x durability difference??? Ryuen didn't have that pretty sure.

TELEPATHY PREVENTS THIS FROM HAPPENING TO BEGIN WITH ALSO!!!

Ok then what is Anya going to do to damage Koji if she's avoiding a confrontation in standard melee range?

I never said she was going to avoid a fight what

 

[Rayfire]

Koji tanks with no difficulty whatsover, the difference is barely high and he has taken hits from people stronger than him as a kid for years to the point of that thinking of the pain was just a waste of energy lol

Pain tolerance does not equal durability, i think that should be obvious

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Pain tolerance does not equal durability, i think that should be obvious

I know? Koji has op pain tolerance lol

No reaction to having his palm getting stabbed by a knife, No reaction to getting beaten by adults for years?? Hello??

 

[Rayfire]

I know? Koji has op pain tolerance lol

No reaction to having his palm getting stabbed by a knife, No reaction to getting beaten by adults for years?? Hello??

By that logic, anya would barely flinch from his attacks too, so that's just equal footing. 6x difference between koji's AP and anya's durability is still a lot and i think that is very obvious. That's hardly equal footing, actually, anya would take barely any damage, but ayanokoji still would regardless if he felt the pain or not.

I do have to head off This has gotten very long as well but, like, outskilling what is basically precog is straight up impossible without some sort of hax, anya knows to not tire herself out too much as discussed earlier, and it is extremely difficult for ayanokoji to damage anya to begin with, if at all. She'd hardly feel anything with a 6x difference. I think that is pretty clear grounds for anya to be winning, and the votes seem to be in favor of that too, i don't think there's much else to say

 

[XxZetsuxX]

By that logic, anya would barely flinch from his attacks too, so that's just equal footing. 6x difference between koji's AP and anya's durability is still a lot and i think that is very obvious. That's hardly equal footing, actually, anya would take barely any damage, but ayanokoji still would regardless if he felt the pain or not.

I do have to head off This has gotten very long as well but, like, outskilling what is basically precog is straight up impossible without some sort of hax, anya knows to not tire herself out too much as discussed earlier, and it is extremely difficult for ayanokoji to damage anya to begin with, if at all. She'd hardly feel anything with a 6x difference. I think that is pretty clear grounds for anya to be winning, and the votes seem to be in favor of that too, i don't think there's much else to say

Not how it works, Her pain tolerance is extremely weak, She literally started crying by falling on the thingy and there might be even more instances i don't remember

 

[Digital_Franz]

So after this shit we have this one. Absolute Cinema

 

[Rayfire]

Not how it works, Her pain tolerance is extremely weak, She literally started crying by falling on the thingy and there might be even more instances i don't remember

She won't feel any pain if ayanokoji is 6x weaker than her. That looks way more like a comedic moment dude, no way you're trying to use that as an anti-feat

 

[Rayfire]

So after this shit we have this one. Absolute Cinema

Straight fax

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

She won't feel any pain if ayanokoji is 6x weaker than her. That looks way more like a comedic moment dude, no way you're trying to use that as an anti-feat

Nah a simple trip >>>>> Ayanokoji's AP

Jokes aside though that's just an anti-feat. Ayanokoji has anti-feats of his own such as getting his predictions wrong but I don't see much people mentioning that

 

[Vzearr]

Do you just not read my replies?

You didn't read my recent reply directed at you.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Anya: I'm just a small child-

Koji:

No but seriously, would Koji even be vigilant of a small child? I'd assume Koji would get hit at least once, though considering Koji's durability, and the fact that he'll know she's powerful af, he'd likely outlast or smth.

 

[Rayfire]

No but seriously, would Koji even be vigilant of a small child? I'd assume Koji would get hit at least once, though considering Koji's durability, and the fact that he'll know she's powerful af, he'd likely outlast or smth.

Anya has street smarts and some basic training from Yor, so she does know how to manage her energy, and I think outlasting Anya that way wouldn’t be too effective. If Koji does survive a hit from Anya there isn’t much he can actually do to her, though, her durability is way above his ap by ~6x, so even if we ignore the fact that Anya can see anything he does coming with telepathy, she has room for error, and while Koji can take pain, his body can only handle so much from something 1.5x stronger than him.

Koji’s intuition is also not fail-proof, because if it wasn’t then Ayanokoji wouldn’t get pinned to the wall when fighting ryuen, or he’d be able to avoid getting stabbed in the hand. Some people are treating it like it’s precog which it really isn’t lol

Meanwhile, Anya has direct showings of using it to avoid things from people much more powerful than her, like with bill, who is much faster, stronger, skilled, and smarter than her. The latter two of which describe Ayanokoji pretty well here.

 

[Huesito88]

Meanwhile, Anya has direct showings of using it to avoid things from people much more powerful than her, like with bill, who is much faster, stronger, skilled, and smarter than her. The latter two of which describe Ayanokoji pretty well here.

See's Bill's profile speed subsonic speeds vs Anya below average, ok posts her showings against bill depending on what they are exactly there'd be a clear problem (and I mean regarding her profile and how paradoxical that is for us)

 

[Rayfire]

See's Bill's profile speed subsonic speeds vs Anya below average, ok posts her showings against bill depending on what they are exactly there'd be a clear problem

Sure, here she is casually dodging throws from a serious bill using precognition. Now imagine how easy it'd be for her to do this when ayanokoji has the same speed as her

 

[Rayfire]

Sure, here she is casually dodging throws from a serious bill using precognition. Now imagine how easy it'd be for her to do this when ayanokoji has the same speed as her

Bill is also the same guy who can throw balls so hard they bent metal poles and create afterimages for more context. Anya will have no problem keeping up with koji via telapathy with equal speed

 

[Huesito88]

Sure, here she is casually dodging throws from a serious bill using precognition. Now imagine how easy it'd be for her to do this when ayanokoji has the same speed as her

Yeah no Bill should be a blur to Anya's reactions, she's below average vs Bill's 144 m/s. That feat of telepathy is would be disregarded here in matches, you could use it to upgrade her combat speed though

 

[Rayfire]

Yeah no Bill should be a blur to Anya's reactions, she's below average vs Bill's 144 m/s. That feat of telepathy is would be disregarded here in matches, you could use it to upgrade her combat speed though

I didn't say a word about upgrading her speed, i'm talking about how it counters speed and skill, and the fact that equal speed is going to thus be detrimental to koji this way.

 

[Huesito88]

I didn't say a word about upgrading her speed, i'm talking about how it counters speed and skill, and the fact that equal speed is going to thus be detrimental to koji this way.

I know you didn't say a word, but I present to you the two options for such a feat here for this wiki

1. You upgrade her combat speed or 2. That's disregarded by the wiki for being a feat that's completely illogical. Precognition cannot counter 20 times speed gaps here

 

[Rayfire]

I know you didn't say a word, but I present to you the two options for such a feat here for this wiki

1. You upgrade her combat speed or 2. That's disregarded by the wiki for being a feat that's completely illogical. Precognition cannot counter 20 times speed gaps here

I mean, it kinda sorta can. I've seen that on FC/OC, and being able to see 5 seconds into the future is real useful if you're up against someone faster than you if you think about it for a second, or in general actually, but koji doesn't have a 20x speed advantage here anyway, so either way anya benefits from this

 

[Huesito88]

I mean, it kinda sorta can. I've seen that on FC/OC, and being able to see 5 seconds into the future is real useful if you're up against someone faster than you if you think about it for a second, or in general actually,

It's the rules here Rayfire

 

[Huesito88]

If you want to say Anya can aim dodge all of Koji's attacks then sure whatever (because of her telepathy), but because of that Bill feat? Is a definite no here.