Anya Forger Vs kiyotaka Ayanokouji (10-3-0)

[XxZetsuxX]

Telepathy counters skill lol, it's basically precog at that point. You also can't outskill a one-shot or someone you literally can't even hurt

What stops Koji from dodging?? Even point blank hits failed to hit him and he used intuition rather than thinking (Tsukishiro and Shiba fight)

I have explained above why the latter isn't an option at all earlier

Not how it works, Koji has 49 KJ durability unless the op restricts it, He didn't so, Koji will tank and outlast Anya

Even if that's the case, 13.2 KJ isn't doing crap to anya either, and enough hits will still kill koji.

Koji has pressure points and it is very in character for him to use it against stronger opponents

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Also although it's not telepathy, He has fought someone who could read 99% of his mind with cold reading (Tsukishiro), it may help idk

flowery statement from our poetic victim

Are they even 1% as skilled as Koji?? If not then it doesn't matter

Precog for the most part remains the same and while yes being more skilled does help, mind reading is a straight counter to it. Its kind of the ultimate no u card

 

[XxZetsuxX]

^ Feel like this should be re-iterated to everyone who's just dropped in

Also although it's not telepathy, He has fought someone who could read 99% of his mind with cold reading (Tsukishiro), it may help idk

Koji in his fight against Tsukishiro has fed him false habits, Timing and more

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

The durability Satella....

i am confused what his duarability is atp tbh...

 

[XxZetsuxX]

flowery statement from our poetic victim

This is straight up false

i am confused what his duarability is atp tbh...

49 KJ without any specifications, 13.2 KJ if OP decides to restrict it

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Thought restricting him seems unnessessary

 

[Rayfire]

What stops Koji from dodging?? Even point blank hits failed to hit him and he used intuition rather than thinking (Tsukishiro and Shiba fight)

And what stops anya from doing the same, especially with = speed? This just puts them on equal footing.

Not how it works, Koji has 49 KJ durability unless the op restricts it, He didn't so, Koji will tank and outlast Anya

But he can't hurt her, like, at all. If he gets in close anya will be the one doing all the damage, she'll be undettered by any hits koji does, and restraining her also won't work for that reason. Koji will still be getting comboed by something 1.52x stronger than him if that happens + Anya is smart enough to not exert herself the entire time

Koji has pressure points and it is very in character for him to use it against stronger opponents

Pressure points against someone who's tanked impacts 6x stronger than you can dish out? She'd hardly feel that

 

[XxZetsuxX]

And what stops anya from doing the same, especially with = speed? This just puts them on equal footing.

Koji just outlasts and wins lol

But he can't hurt her, like, at all. If he gets in close anya will be the one doing all the damage, she'll be undettered by any hits koji does, and restraining her also won't work for that reason. Koji will still be getting comboed by something 1.52x stronger than him if that happens + Anya is smart enough to not exert herself the entire time

Koji still outlasts, He got beaten up as a kid by adults for years, fought Tsukishiro, Shiba and Nanase while dehydrated, hungry and tired on a scorching hot temperature WITHOUT getting hit by any of them and had no breaks for days during the exam

Pressure points against someone who's tanked impacts 6x stronger than you can dish out? She'd hardly feel that

Not how it works, Pressure Points are your weak spots where theres barely any defense, unless you mean to tell me you won't feel pain by getting hit in the groin by someone who is 6x weaker than you? (an example)

Anya will feel severe pain if hit in the liver, Solar plexus, Temple, Nose, Eyes and more

 

[XxZetsuxX]

And let's not forget that she started crying when she fell to the ground when she was doing exercise with loyd

She is not accustomed to pain at all

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Not how it works, Pressure Points are your weak spots where theres barely any defense, unless you mean to tell me you won't feel pain by getting hit in the groin by someone who is 6x weaker than you? (an example)

Anya will feel severe pain if hit in the liver, Solar plexus, Temple, Nose, Eyes and more

We already discussed that entire point here

 

[Rayfire]

Koji just outlasts and wins lol

This literally won't happen

Not how it works, Pressure Points are your weak spots where theres barely any defense, unless you mean to tell me you won't feel pain by getting hit in the groin by someone who is 6x weaker than you? (an example)

10 joules to the groin isn't a lot for example, and in fiction this will work way differently anyway, anya is very likely to tank this

And let's not forget that she started crying when she fell to the ground when she was doing exercise with loyd

She is not accustomed to pain at all

How on earth will she feel pain when koji is 6x weaker than her??

 

[XxZetsuxX]

We already discussed that entire point here

All you did was nullify Koji's ability

It's like saying she is immune to pressure points because she is stronger

You are outright implying Koji will do 0 dmg to her, if so, why even make a matchup where koji doesn't do any damage??

You are downplaying abilities too much here

 

[Rayfire]

This literally won't happen

Links aren't loading, but i discussed this point earlier. Anya isn't as skilled but she's skilled enough to know that exerting herself for too long is a bad idea. Plus, she won't even need to move much when she's a small target and also telepathy essentially giving her precog, which trumps analytical prediction by definition, and also the fact that it clearly doesn't make koji immune to getting hit.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

This literally won't happen

It will, Koji no diffs Anya in stamina lol

10 joules to the groin isn't a lot for example, and in fiction this will work way differently anyway, anya is very likely to tank this

you groin has 0 durability bruh, there is absolutely nothing there to absorb the impact and deal less damage

How on earth will she feel pain when koji is 6x weaker than her??

how do you explain her falling on the thingy and started crying??? i guarantee you that fall wasn't 75 KJ

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Links aren't loading, but i discussed this point earlier. Anya isn't as skilled but she's skilled enough to know that exerting herself for too long is a bad idea. Plus, she won't even need to move much when she's a small target and also telepathy essentially giving her precog, which trumps analytical prediction by definition, and also the fact that it clearly doesn't make koji immune to getting hit.

This fight did not go like this in the LN which is the PRIMARY CANON

Koji not once did he let himself get hit on purpose, infact, no one in the entire series has managed to hit ayanokoji

the only instance where he got hit was with Albert where Koji wanted to test the damage which won't happen here as that was only 1 instance throughout the entire series

 

[Rayfire]

It will, Koji no diffs Anya in stamina lol

Links aren't loading, but i discussed this point earlier. Anya isn't as skilled but she's skilled enough to know that exerting herself for too long is a bad idea. Plus, she won't even need to move much when she's a small target and also telepathy essentially giving her precog, which trumps analytical prediction by definition, and also the fact that it clearly doesn't make koji immune to getting hit.

you groin has 0 durability bruh, there is absolutely nothing there to absorb the impact and deal less damage

10. Joules. is. nothing. Simple logic

how do you explain her falling on the thingy and started crying??? i guarantee you that fall wasn't 75 KJ

Plot-induced stupidity, she's supposed to be a kid lol, and if you wanna talk about inconsistencies, Ayanokoji gets dazed by a 9-C impact lmao

 

[Rayfire]

Not how it works, Pressure Points are your weak spots where theres barely any defense, unless you mean to tell me you won't feel pain by getting hit in the groin by someone who is 6x weaker than you? (an example)

Also, how will he do this to begin with when anya can see everything he will do ahead of time?

 

[XxZetsuxX]

10. Joules. is. nothing. Simple logic

The gap needed to do no damage by current standards is 8x where you get one tapped, the difference is not that high

Plot-induced stupidity, she's supposed to be a kid lol, and if you wanna talk about inconsistencies, Ayanokoji gets dazed by a 9-C impact lmao

The point was that Anya is not accustumed to pain

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Also, how will he do this to begin with when anya can see everything he will do ahead of time?

How will she hit him when he can dodge out of intuition?

 

[Rayfire]

The gap needed to do no damage by current standards is 8x where you get one tapped, the difference is not that high

The one-shot is just a general term really. It can be way different depending on the character and whether they have something like regen or not. But either way, 6x is still more than enough to handle this, and ayanokoji is simply not hitting her to begin with

Also, how will he do this to begin with when anya can see everything he will do ahead of time?

^

 

[XxZetsuxX]

The one-shot is just a general term really. It can be way different depending on the character and whether they have something like regen or not. But either way, 6x is still more than enough to handle this, and ayanokoji is simply not hitting her to begin with

No, what? 8x is for every verse

The difference here is 6x which means Koji can harm her just fine, even more with pressure points

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

All you did was nullify Koji's ability

It's like saying she is immune to pressure points because she is stronger

You are outright implying Koji will do 0 dmg to her, if so, why even make a matchup where koji doesn't do any damage??

You are downplaying abilities too much here

I never said he'd do no damage, I'm saying that Ayanokoji doesn't instantly get rid of the massive AP gap with pressure points

The gap needed to do no damage by current standards is 8x where you get one tapped, the difference is not that high

A 6x strength difference is the difference between a regular untrained human & a gorilla. It's enough to snap bones with ease. A 5x AP gap was once considered for the one-shot gap. It's a giant difference. A 6x AP difference might not be a one-shot, but it's pretty damn close

 

[Rayfire]

How will she hit him when he can dodge out of intuition?

Because ayanokoji clearly can't just dodge everything, even when ryuen is slower than him for example??

 

[Huesito88]

A 6x strength difference is the difference between a regular untrained human & a gorilla. It's enough to snap bones with ease. A 5x AP gap was once considered for the one-shot gap. It's a giant difference. A 6x AP difference might not be a one-shot, but it's pretty damn close

Your correct there in regards how a 5 times attack hitting someone will do to them, but how does this relate to taking no damage by having 5 times less AP to someone else with durability?

 

[Rayfire]

No, what? 8x is for every verse

If you have High regen, you can heal from a hit like that. Therefore, it's not a one-shot at all. It's not the same for every character

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I never said he'd do no damage, I'm saying that Ayanokoji doesn't instantly get rid of the massive AP gap with pressure points

And you think this is a massive gap??!?!

 

[XxZetsuxX]

If you have High regen, you can heal from a hit like that. Therefore, it's not a one-shot at all. It's not the same for every character

Yeah but that's literally irrelevant here

I'm saying as long the gap isn't 8x you can damage your opponent and more if you have PP

 

[Rayfire]

And you think this is a massive gap??!?!

6x is very large, imagine taking a hit from someone 6x stronger than you irl. If you're very lucky you'd be put in the hospital

 

[XxZetsuxX]

6x is very large, imagine taking a hit from someone 6x stronger than you irl. If you're very lucky you'd be put in the hospital

the gap is not 6x Koji has literally 49 KJ

And he can deal heavy damage if he manages to hit Anya with PP as well

 

[Rayfire]

Yeah but that's literally irrelevant here

I'm saying as long the gap isn't 8x you can damage your opponent and more if you have PP

Maybe, but definitely not a whole lot that's for sure lol, pressure points aren't saving koji at all imo

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Maybe, but definitely not a whole lot that's for sure lol, pressure points aren't saving koji at all imo

Koji wincon here is outlasting Anya considering you think he can't damage Anya

Which he can, her knowing how to not waste stamina won't help her at all

Tell me what can she do against someone with absurb stamina as Koji??

 

[Rayfire]

the gap is not 6x Koji has literally 49 KJ

The gap is ~6x for the AP though, and koji is not doing anything to anya with that, even other people voting for koji have said this

Pretty sure he will realise she isn't normal if his attacks barely scratch her

 

[Huesito88]

The gap is ~6x for the AP though, and koji is not doing anything to anya with that, even other people voting for koji have said this

Most people that voted were under the impression that Anya could one shot Koji if she landed any hit

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Most people that voted were under the impression that Anya could one shot Koji if she landed any hit

For her to one shot she would need 105,6 KJ

13,2 X 8 = 105,6 KJ

 

[Rayfire]

Koji wincon here is outlasting Anya considering you think he can't damage Anya

Which he can, her knowing how to not waste stamina won't help her at all

Tell me what can she do against someone with absurb stamina as Koji??

Beat him up because he can barely damage her

Most people that voted were under the impression that Anya could one shot Koji if she landed any hit

Koji on the other hand still can't damage anya much, if at all though, and anya can still deal damage either way. Even if anya got tired, what is ayanokoji gonna do? He needs to hit her a ton of times to win with the gap and that simply isn't feasible if anya knows everything he will do

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

the gap is not 6x Koji has literally 49 KJ

And he can deal heavy damage if he manages to hit Anya with PP as well

We're talking about his AP & Anya's durability

And again, unless his PP have been shown to harm people 6x stronger than him then we assume that they won't do anything more than just a bit more damage than his normal strikes, which won't do much when Ayanokoji is 6x weaker than her

And you think this is a massive gap??!?!

Do you just not read my replies?

 

[Rayfire]

For her to one shot she would need 105,6 KJ

13,2 X 8 = 105,6 KJ

6x difference still leaves you in the hospital best case scenario, referring back to the example i gave you earlier

6x is very large, imagine taking a hit from someone 6x stronger than you irl. If you're very lucky you'd be put in the hospital

 

[XxZetsuxX]

6x difference still leaves you in the hospital best case scenario, referring back to the example i gave you earlier

There's no 6x difference on Koji's durability 49 KJ bruh

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Koji on the other hand still can't damage anya much, if at all though, and anya can still deal damage either way. Even if anya got tired, what is ayanokoji gonna do? He needs to hit her a ton of times to win with the gap and that simply isn't feasible if anya knows everything he will do

Koji with class 5 can legit tear her arms apart lol

 

[Rayfire]

There's no 6x difference on Koji's durability 49 KJ bruh

I'm talking about without the possibly rating