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Die? You only talked about AP, Taikyoku and Manji Mandala... only SansNom provided some argument besides what you understand. If I made this thread is because I want to know other people's point of view. If you want me to close this thread... then JUST ASK ME TO. It's very obvious that you're uncomfortable with thisRavenous4th said:@Tony
Even if one does transcend an infinite Outerversal hierarchy ( view baseline 1-A the same way 1-A sees dimensioned beings ), it wouldn't necessarily make them higher than tier 1-A, you have to be the absolute peak of your own verse with little to no weakness to be considered tier 0.
Though that doesn't mean tier 0 always stomps 1-A as there are 1-As who transcend hierarchies far larger, more expensive than some of them.
Having said all that, I pretty much agree with your post, you don't have to be the typical "boundless, formless abstract being" to be as powerful.
Now why don't we all just let this thread die?
EDIT: ah shit, forgot there are two Tonies in the thread.
That's like, the entire point of what we do here, though.Matthew Schroeder said:Turning philosophical statements and theological concepts into RPG number stat crunching measuring matches makes me sick in my stomach.
I mean, no offense but what exactly did you expect? The main attraction of this site is mostly VS Debating and comparing the rankings of overpowered characters or concepts, even if its focus isn't exactly centered around that anymore. It's only natural that this sort of thing would occur when put into a website with such a mechanical background.Matthew Schroeder said:Turning philosophical statements and theological concepts into RPG number stat crunching measuring matches makes me sick in my stomach.
But @Crimson, @Warren provided a point of view that isn't blinded by the lack of arguments. Actually I think is a good moment to apologise to him about the whole Rein vs TSM (The Star Maker), but on the other hand I have to thank him for bring an argument regarding ANU's existence.CrimsonStarFallen said:Idk how Warren's post implies the only thing he took away from ANU's description is power levels, since, you know, people can appreciate a good phylosophial description of an interesting concept, but also try to find out how strong said concept is. It's not like this is the whole point of the site or anything...
But whatever.
The fact that you thought me mentioning ANU's AP description was because I only care about power levels is what is truly disheartening.Matthew Schroeder said:No it does not. The fact that the only thing you take from ANU's explanation is power levels is extremely disheartening.
Not trying to dismiss you, but your opinion is very limited to not explaining yourself. If you belive that Hajun wins, then explain me something else besides Manji Mandala. Hajun is a VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERY powerful 1-A, yes, but when you say the whole thing about Taikyouku not being utilizable in crosss verse fights, then why did you used the same (Taikyoku) for quantify Hajun's trascendence? Please, explain your point of view, not saying that you're wrong but I don't understand what you try to make me understand.Ravenous4th said:Because AP is only thing that matters? We've been through this several times, everyone's tired of it.
Tony didn't provide any argument regarding the VS, he was pointing out that being a typical beyond-comprehension formless abstract doesn't make you any higher in hierarchical transcendence.
And I pretty much agreed to it, because it's an obvious fact
Yes, yes, yes we all know you want to hear opinions, but please bear in mind that the only so called opinions you'll ever see are those of "why x is above Y in transcendence" and vice-versa unless you equalize AP which isn't what we usually do.
Nothing will come out of 1-A threads.
Imagine putting a 5-D imp up against infinite dimensional deities, what we get in 1-A threads are roughly the same type of arguments.
It always ends up using circular logic.
I'm not trying to offend you in any conceivable manner nor am I trying to undermine your efforts in making the thread, by the way.
I/O stomps all then *Cough*Wokistan said:1A matches can now only be won via quality
Long story short is "They were unbanned because they could lead to very interesting discussions, then after unbanning them we realized that 1-A threads were nigh-universally terrible so adding the results was forbidden again"Warren Valion said:Honeslty, why were the unbanned? There are no two verses on the same level of 1-A, and it makes every fight a stomp for either one character or the other.