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Anos vs Exdeath

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is the ability to "infect" someone or something with one's power, making said person or thing into a different being or state of being than it was before. This ability can be similar to Mind Manipulation (and potentially some of its facets) or Possession.

I know mod gonna ignore everything and just gonna spam corruption without knowing limitations and explanation for corruption.
 
@Nightmare_Bloodfallen Alright, it's clear as day you're not going to pay attention to my arguments despite me spelling it out for you, so I'm not going to entertain you any further.

@kuramamyfav68 Passives will work on him when he only has reaction speed on immeasurable, not natural, and again, 2-A range, he's not running away from passives from a being that exists across the entire multiverse in the past present and future.

Affecting his source is not needed to affect Anos, like at all. And again he has no feats of combatting against being corrupted or being possessed which renders him unable to make any decisions.

Ok? What does him being a type 4 acausal have anything to do with being erased? That doesn't give you a resistance to being erased at all so it seems like you're just grasping straws with this point.
 
Theglassman12 said:
@Nightmare_Bloodfallen Alright, it's clear as day you're not going to pay attention to my arguments despite me spelling it out for you, so I'm not going to entertain you any further.

@kuramamyfav68 Passives will work on him when he only has reaction speed on immeasurable, not natural, and again, 2-A range, he's not running away from passives from a being that exists across the entire multiverse in the past present and future.

Affecting his source is not needed to affect Anos, like at all. And again he has no feats of combatting against being corrupted or being possessed which renders him unable to make any decisions.

Ok? What does him being a type 4 acausal have anything to do with being erased? That doesn't give you a resistance to being erased at all so it seems like you're just grasping straws with this point.
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I take it as concession for burden of proof from your end.
 
Theglassman12 said:
@Nightmare_Bloodfallen Alright, it's clear as day you're not going to pay attention to my arguments despite me spelling it out for you, so I'm not going to entertain you any further.

@kuramamyfav68 Passives will work on him when he only has reaction speed on immeasurable, not natural, and again, 2-A range, he's not running away from passives from a being that exists across the entire multiverse in the past present and future.

Affecting his source is not needed to affect Anos, like at all. And again he has no feats of combatting against being corrupted or being possessed which renders him unable to make any decisions.

Ok? What does him being a type 4 acausal have anything to do with being erased? That doesn't give you a resistance to being erased at all so it seems like you're just grasping straws with this point.
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(1) Don't use your own headcanon to determine who can dodge what with immeasurable speed.
(2) Are you not reading my posts? His real mind is in his source, and he can cast magic with it. Don't tell me you didn't know that. Read any MG profile.
(3) He erased Graham's nothingness with it, so Venuzdonoa's logic/causality hax works on type 4 acausals.
 
Just gonna point out that Anos doesn’t need his mind, body or soul to continue fighting, same for a bunch of people in Maou Gakuin (at least the relevant ones). It’s one of the earliest feats he has when he gets reduced to just his source and he can still operate just fine. To start messing with Anos and stop him from doing anything, you really do need to affect his concept as that’s all he needs to fight.
 
What headcanon? This is common sense, Anos literally has nowhere to go and can't escape Exdeath's literal existence no matter where he goes, and he only has immeasurable reaction speed, not natural speed.

Whatever memories is left of him is in his source, not his actual mind where he is conscious to do anything going off from the scan with his soul and mind resistance.

That's a complete Non-sequitur, Erasing someone has nothing to do with warping causality or logic. You need proof his causality hax actually affected a type 4 acausal being.
 
Theglassman12 said:
What headcanon? This is common sense, Anos literally has nowhere to go and can't escape Exdeath's literal existence no matter where he goes, and he only has immeasurable reaction speed, not natural speed.

Whatever memories is left of him is in his source, not his actual mind where he is conscious to do anything going off from the scan with his soul and mind resistance.

That's a complete Non-sequitur, Erasing someone has nothing to do with warping causality or logic. You need proof his causality hax actually affected a type 4 acausal being.
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Do you even know how Venuzdonoa's logic/causality hax works? And yes, stop defining what is and isn't the case. His memories/mind/soul are in his source, stop ignoring that (and also not what you said there). You're being very stubborn and obtuse. Stop acting like that, especially when your stuff got debunked and disagreed on by various people, including someone knowledgeable on MG. I'm reporting you for being a nuisance.
 
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Theglassman12 said:
What headcanon? This is common sense, Anos literally has nowhere to go and can't escape Exdeath's literal existence no matter where he goes, and he only has immeasurable reaction speed, not natural speed.

Whatever memories is left of him is in his source, not his actual mind where he is conscious to do anything going off from the scan with his soul and mind resistance.

That's a complete Non-sequitur, Erasing someone has nothing to do with warping causality or logic. You need proof his causality hax actually affected a type 4 acausal being.
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kuramamyfav68 said:
Do you even know how Venuzdonoa's logic/causality hax works? And yes, stop defining what is and isn't the case. His memories/mind/soul are in his source, stop ignoring that (and also not what you said there). You're being very stubborn and obtuse. Stop acting like that, especially when your stuff got debunked and disagreed on by various people, including someone knowledgeable on MG. I'm reporting you for being a nuisance.
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I think we just need to vote and close this thread. Galssman is just strawmaning the thread with irrelevant things and no actual Refute.
 
Theglassman12 said:
...he only has immeasurable reaction speed, not natural speed.
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Speed: At least FTL, up to Immeasurable combat speed and reactions
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Theglassman12 said:
Whatever memories is left of him is in his source, not his actual mind where he is conscious to do anything going off from the scan with his soul and mind resistance.
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Limited Abstract Existence (Type 1; An excellent magician can keep their memories in their source, which is the fundamental concept of existence that exists deeper than the body, soul and mind, and even if the physical body perishes, as long as the source is intact, they can be revived. In other words, they can act, "think", and utilize powers with only their source (concept))
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Theglassman12 said:
You need proof his causality hax actually affected a type 4 acausal being.
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Magic Eye of Chaotic Destruction: Chaos Manipulation, Greater Existence Erasure, Greater Power Nullification, Logic Manipulation, Law Manipulation, Greater Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1; ...)
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Anos' magic eyes do not currently have causality manip, and yes, it has been proposed in a CRT before.
 
What will prevent Exdeath from coming back since he resists hgr neg? And possesses Anos body? Can Anos really use his eyes when his body is completely under Exdeath control?
 
Delta333 said:
What will prevent Exdeath from coming back since he resists hgr neg? And possesses Anos body? Can Anos really use his eyes when his body is completely under Exdeath control?
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Possession again? Read the previous comments on why that's totally useless. Anos negs 2/multiple layers of high-godly regen. And even if the possession does work, he can just simply recreate his body.
 
kuramamyfav68 said:
Possession again? Read the previous comments on why that's totally useless. Anos negs 2/multiple layers of high-godly regen. And even if the possession does work, he can just simply recreate his body.
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Yea I have read everything in this thread, if Exdeath successfully possesses Anos then he will freely control Anos body at whim, including MEoCD

Nothing on profile says that he can neg multiple layers of hgr, at least bring the CRT about it here (Plus I think Venuz negs hgr, not MEoCD?)

Since when Anos recreates his body when gets possessed? Link for the chapter?
 
Delta333 said:
Yea I have read everything in this thread, if Exdeath successfully possesses Anos then he will freely control Anos body at whim, including MEoCD

Nothing on profile says that he can neg multiple layers of hgr, at least bring the CRT about it here (Plus I think Venuz negs hgr, not MEoCD?)

Since when Anos recreates his body when gets possessed? Link for the chapter?
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Do you even know what you're saying? Possession is useless. Read the previous comments by Null, Nightmare, and me. Anos can't create a body for his source? Are you kidding me? Exdeath won't even be able to use the eye, even if he was able to "possess" Anos. Why are people so stubborn when they're not supposed to?
 
kuramamyfav68 said:
Do you even know what you're saying? Possession is useless. Read the previous comments by Null, Nightmare, and me. Anos can't create a body for his source? Are you kidding me? Exdeath won't even be able to use the eye, even if he was able to "possess" Anos. Why are people so stubborn when they're not supposed to?
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You should give a proper explanation rather than being aggressive like that
 
Delta333 said:
Yea I have read everything in this thread, if Exdeath successfully possesses Anos then he will freely control Anos body at whim, including MEoCD

Nothing on profile says that he can neg multiple layers of hgr, at least bring the CRT about it here (Plus I think Venuz negs hgr, not MEoCD?)

Since when Anos recreates his body when gets possessed? Link for the chapter?
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  1. Exdeath corruption speed is unknown no one sent any scans to show how fast it can posses others.
  2. Source exist outside the mind. Above i linked corruption page you can check the explanation for corruption. So source won't be affected by corruption.
  3. Anos eyes destroys the reason. Also you should read the eyes feat. It destroys the reason that even if character goes beyond space time and even before world was born. It literally shows speed doesn't matter for his eyes.
  4. Also venozdonua and MEOCD has same power Reason destruction. And he almost killed Eques and eques himself was confirmed to be completely getting destroyed. He only let Eques live because of world getting destroyed. Eques has high godly regeneration. But he doesn't have profile that's all.
 
Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
  1. Exdeath corruption speed is unknown no one sent any scans to show how fast it can posses others.
  2. Source exist outside the mind. Above i linked corruption page you can check the explanation for corruption. So source won't be affected by corruption.
  3. Anos eyes destroys the reason. Also you should read the eyes feat. It destroys the reason that even if character goes beyond space time and even before world was born. It literally shows speed doesn't matter for his eyes.
  4. Also venozdonua and MEOCD has same power Reason destruction. And he almost killed Eques and eques himself was confirmed to be completely getting destroyed. He only let Eques live because of world getting destroyed. Eques has high godly regeneration. But he doesn't have profile that's all.
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1. Not sure if speed is the factor here when Anos has no way to permanently kill Exdeath

2. Don't know if corruption can work or not, but Exdeath has sealing and possession while Anos resists none (with possession would be helpful here)

3. Speed is equalized

4. Oh I'm well aware that Anos negs hgr, but again Exdeath resists hgr neg
 
Delta333 said:
1. Not sure if speed is the factor here when Anos has no way to permanently kill Exdeath

2. Don't know if corruption can work or not, but Exdeath has sealing and possession while Anos resists none (with possession would be helpful here)

3. Speed is equalized

4. Oh I'm well aware that Anos negs hgr, but again Exdeath resists hgr neg
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And then you're asking me why I'm "aggressive"... it's simply a combination of various factors. Anos negs multiple levels of high-godly. Don't tell me you didn't read this before. For the nth time, possession is useless.
 
Delta333 said:
Btw Exdeath FRA time to unsubscribe this thread before getting ganged up constantly like Glass
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He didn't get "ganged up" on. Initially 2 people were doubtful of/about Anos' abilities, then one got their answers while the other one didn't. It's him being obtuse and stubborn. He keeps arguing and ignoring our points. And who doesn't hate people like that?
 
kuramamyfav68 said:
(1) Don't use your own headcanon to determine who can dodge what with immeasurable speed.
(2) Are you not reading my posts? His real mind is in his source, and he can cast magic with it. Don't tell me you didn't know that. Read any MG profile.
(3) He erased Graham's nothingness with it, so Venuzdonoa's logic/causality hax works on type 4 acausals.
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no actually it makes sense that passive will work because he is omnipresent across all time already thus even if you can move from the past or future with immeasurable you will still be affected.

but that wouldn't work as stated because his possession is a facet of mind manip which again Exist in Anos's source
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
possession is a facet of mind manip
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"Possession is the ability of a character to take control of another character by entering their mind, body, or soul. It is different from mind control, as it is done internally instead of externally."

From possession page
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
no actually it makes sense that passive will work because he is omnipresent across all time already thus even if you can move from the past or future with immeasurable you will still be affected.

but that wouldn't work as stated because his possession is a facet of mind manip which again Exist in Anos's source
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Still new to vsbw, but if in getting you correctly, omnipresent passives would be faster than immeasurable passives?
 
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