Anos MFTL+ Downgrade (but it's not Clickbait this Time)

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Please for the love of god keep this on topic and out of the RVR. This CRT wasn't even my idea, I was just asked about it and realized it was very weird (tbh, I'd rather not do this and go about my weekend normally, but I haven't gotten my paycheck yet so I've got time to burn).

Anyways, Anos is given FTL speed scaling to Lay, who is stated to move as "a flash of light". This is... highly problematic, because for starters, there's nothing else in the verse at this point backing up FTL speeds. More obvious than that is the fact that this is obviously non-literal; We don't hand out MHS+ speeds for characters being stated to "move like lightning", and being stated to move as a flash of light seems to suggest that Lay was moving fast, but not at literal light speed. It's flowery at worst, and outlierish at best.

There is one possible replacement feat, that being Anos reacting to light magic. There's one problem though; The magic in question is, well, magic that is made of emotions. Not natural light by a longshot, and it doesn't showcase other evidence of being light speed like refraction or traveling in a straight beam.

In short, the two possible FTL feats need to go, and since MFTL+ also uses the FTL stat as a baseline, those stats need to go and be replaced with the next best thing.

 

[BLS]

MG downgrade thread #2374291.

Anyway reading through it, i agree

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Didn't you say your last MGK CRT was your last? The love and dedication you have for this series is very big.

MGK is your Ying and Touhou is your Yang

Anyways, Anos is given FTL speed scaling to Lay, who is stated to move as "a flash of light". This is... highly problematic, because for starters, there's nothing else in the verse at this point backing up FTL speeds. More obvious than that is the fact that this is obviously non-literal; We don't hand out MHS+ speeds for characters being stated to "move like lightning", and being stated to move as a flash of light seems to suggest that Lay was moving fast, but not at literal light speed. It's flowery at worst, and outlierish at best.

I remember Overlord having several things related to abilities described as being as fast as a "flash of light" and others literally speaking the speed of light, and it was all accepted flowery language.

I don't know if this is the case as I haven't seen this series and I will stop commenting on this CRT after this message. But it's something that comes to my mind.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Didn't you say your last MGK CRT was your last? The love and dedication you have for this series is very big.

MGK is your Ying and Touhou is your Yang

Well, I planned for it to be. You're right about the latter though.

I remember Overlord having several things related to abilities described as being as fast as a "flash of light" and others literally speaking the speed of light, and it was all accepted flowery language.

I don't know if this is the case as I haven't seen this series and I will stop commenting on this CRT after this message. But it's something that comes to my mind.

This is worse than Overlord's case, as it is a one-off statement not even saying Lay moved at the speed of light.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I agree with this CRT, it makes sense.

 

[PhantomØ4]

I actually asked about this too in the MG sever lol (if they followed any light speed standards that the wiki has). Elde is gonna hate me more but I agreed with this thread before it was even made.

 

[KingNanaya]

Anyways, Anos is given FTL speed scaling to Lay, who is stated to move as "a flash of light"

if that's really it, then I agree lol

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Amos cant stop taking Ls god damn.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Amos cant stop taking Ls god damn.

That's because he's fodder

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Amos cant stop taking Ls god damn.

I wonder why non-level 1 profiles can be created without the need for a CRT. I think it would revolve around half of all those new CRTs they had at one time (although I think it would probably be like 15 pages long)

That's because he's fodder

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Anyway, I wonder how this will play out on the part of MGK supporters. I've seen LN profiles with more evidence being rejected because of "flowering bloodlines" like Overlod. I wonder what new evidence they will give.

If this is accepted, to what speed will Anos fall?

 

[Shmooply]

I disagree because these goons need to take a W for once.

 

[KingNanaya]

I disagree because these goons need to take a W for once.

Nah, not allowed.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

I wonder why non-level 1 profiles can be created without the need for a CRT.

That would be wiki suicide when my CRT for an unpopular verse gets ignored for a month

Proposal looks fine though so I agree.

 

[Quantu]

Anyways, Anos is given FTL speed scaling to Lay, who is stated to move as "a flash of light".

Are we sure there isn't more context? Because I agree otherwise. It definitely feels like more of a figure of speech. Even at best, it's too vague without any other feats close to this level of speed to just take the highest possible interpretation (FTL/LS).

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

I actually asked about this too in the MG sever lol (if they followed any light speed standards that the wiki has). Elde is gonna hate me more but I agreed with this thread before it was even made.

Just to make sure, did they provide more evidence, or was this it?

Are we sure there isn't more context? Because I agree otherwise. It definitely feels like more of a figure of speech. Even at best, it's too vague without any other feats close to this level of speed to just take the highest possible interpretation (FTL/LS).

I'll check the LN in a moment.

 

[PhantomØ4]

Just to make sure, did they provide more evidence, or was this it?


I'll check the LN in a moment.

To quote "So we assume that becoming a ray of light =/= becoming light?
Scum with the double standards?" and proceeded to not send any more but not all the supporters saw the convo so the others might have more.

 

[Shmooply]

Jokes aside, I agree. The MFTL+ calc could be redone without the FTL baseline though. While it won't grant any SoL or higher stuff, it should definitely still give some nutty results and that can be used on the profiles instead.

 

[Deceived3596]

If that's the only piece of evidence which supports FTL Maou Gakuin then I agree with it removing it. Personally I'm fine with treating it as LS, but under the current standards we have in place for LS statements. This wouldn't suffice those standards.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Agree.

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

I thought this was Elde's thread, but it turned out to be yours.

 

[Aseka]

Agree if it's the only feats and nothing more.

 

[afzofah]

There was a moment where Lay moved at lightning-speed which Anos just kinda mocked before he did the "flash of light" thingy that got Anos impressed.

This could be the ground for Lay's SoL movement, but if most people disagree with it then I agree with the downgrade.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

There was a moment where Lay moved at lightning-speed which Anos just kinda mocked before he did the "flash of light" thingy that got Anos impressed.

This could be the ground for Lay's SoL movement, but if most people disagree with it then I agree with the downgrade.

I feel like using "lightning flashed" and nothing else as a speed feat is very, very generous. I wouldn't use it tbh

 

[TimmyTurnero]

I agree with this.

 

[afzofah]

I feel like using "lightning flashed" and nothing else as a speed feat is very, very generous. I wouldn't use it tbh

Well for me it seems to be straightforward. I'll wait for the others opinion about it.

 

[YungManzi]

I agree yeah, "Flash of Light" is a pretty silly Justification for any LS scaling. At least have some photon or refection statements lol.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Are we sure there isn't more context? Because I agree otherwise. It definitely feels like more of a figure of speech. Even at best, it's too vague without any other feats close to this level of speed to just take the highest possible interpretation (FTL/LS).

I reread the chapter it appears in, and that's basically it. There's the context that Lay continually gets faster/stronger the more he fights, but it doesn't help justify FTL speeds.

 

[Pekarchan]

What a pity, but anyway Anos will be immeasurable after vol 5 translated scans comes

Disagree btw, do you have any proves that emotional light slover than ordinary

Something better than "its not literally light because its not ordinary light"

 

[TimmyTurnero]

Disagree btw, do you have any proves that emotional light slover than ordinary

The lack of evidence for it being light speed? Lack of statements and consistency maybe?

Something better than "its not literally light because its not ordinary light"

But that alone should be evident. It doesn’t fit our requirements.

 

[Deagonx]

I agree. "Flash of light" is not enough to say someone is lightspeed, and generic light magic isn't usually LS either.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Count me as agree, but let me wait and see the arguments for this

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

I'll explain my thoughts at the end, but I want to add my $0.02 on the topic/reasoning, and how it's worded

This is... highly problematic, because for starters, there's nothing else in the verse at this point backing up FTL speeds.

I mean, TBH, if they had a legit statement for it, I don't think it'd be a problem. The statement would be what backs up FTL speeds, the issue here clearly seems to be getting it to FTL, not having it there.

So clearly, "moving like a flash of light can have multiple meanings which don't even inherently mean moving at the speed of light exactly. It could mean moving at constant speeds, or moving in straight lines, or other properties about how photons move, other than the 299,792,456 m/s they move at.

We don't hand out MHS+ speeds for characters being stated to "move like lightning"

Agree, "moving like x" can entail different things than just the highest interpretation of "Y is literally moving at the speed of x"

Overall, agree with the thread, and count me as "Agree"

 

[PhantomØ4]

Disagree btw, do you have any proves that emotional light slover than ordinary

Something better than "its not literally light because its not ordinary light"

Wiki standards are that the supernatural light is not actual LS constant photons unless it meets some requirements. It applies to all verses. Negative until proven otherwise.

 

[Small_Ophion]

Yeah this whole thing makes sense, I presume the new speed rating will be covered in another CRT or?

 

[BoastJr]

agree train fra

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I don't wanna derail but I ******* called it :v

Your crusade won't end

 

[DaReaperMan]

Your crusade won't end

 

[Quantu]

I reread the chapter it appears in, and that's basically it. There's the context that Lay continually gets faster/stronger the more he fights, but it doesn't help justify FTL speeds.

As I suspected

Yeah, I 100% agree then.

 

[Deagonx]

Prior to this, what were the speed scalings for him and others? We should have a replacement in mind.

@LephyrTheRevanchist @Theglassman12 @Damage3245 @KingTempest

This looks fairly straightforward, any thoughts?

 

[Shmooply]

We'll have to check the deleted version of the profile to see if there's any speed feats to fall back to, as the current iteration has always had FTL and MFTL+ stuff.