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Amon vs. Golden King

@Celestial

"He is incapable of existing even in memory, and when everyone in the world forgets about him, he will lose his powers and die."

So it is impossible for him to be in a memory, yet if they don't have any memory of him, he dies.

Also I see that Ulthatalotep does destroy the metaphysical in his attack on Tesla, but he attacked with a strike that was empowered by his gaze, something that his passive gaze did not do. Also, both of their Mid-Godlies are bullcrap.

Tesla, at absolute best, has reliant immortality on memories, and certainly can't come back from being completely erased because he is attached the thunder, or else he wouldn't need to worry about GK killing him. Also I am about 99% sure we don't give other people Mid-Godly regen when they never show it because GK's powers are similar to Tesla's (whos own Mid-Godly is questionable).

While watching these videos assures me GK is incredibly strong, I don't know if he is quite as strong as he is being made out to be.
 
@Assalt It's impossible for him to remain in memories because he isn't supposed to exist, he is a fairy tale like existence, he usually fades from ppl's memories but neon's family is special, they anchor his existence to the world, if not for them he would be dead.

If you payed attention before it said that simply by his presence in the sky he brought death to others, it's both by the gaze and his presence.

And mid-godly is legit, tesla is the embodiment of lightning just like M is a conceptual existence.

In another video, ie this which is acually the end of tesla vs gk, tesla was dead, gk atomized him, the reason he came back was due to neon, neon rememoring and calling his name, he was dead, neon brought him back.

Also rosenkreutz himself is an old one, more specifically his body is that of an old one, him having mid-godly regen is legit, as i already said old ones are a race of conceptual beings.

A lot of expanlatory stuff is revealed in side stories, the main story is just bare bones, M is only 2-B by feats in main story, but from side stories we know he devoured an infinite number of universes in the past, it wasn't really clear if he was a conceptual being, it said he was the infinite darkness of his realm but in a side story was clarified, he is indeed a conceptual being. There are other examples of this.

Gonna come back to this later, have an assignment to do.
 
@Celestial

Also, GK's 5-B rating seems questionable. I see the reasons for it and his Island level rating, but the Cracking Field expanding to the size of the planet gives nice range, but doesn't show that he is capable of destroying the planet. That said, he would be hundreds of millions of times stronger, since that is the multiplier given to his gaze upon transforming.
 
@Celestial

Being the embodiment of lightning if you die when you're forgotten means nothing. He clearly can't be brought back from nothing because of lightning if Neon's families' memories were the key to keeping him alive. I agree he has some good Reliant Immortality, but on memories, not on lightning. Chaos doesn't have Mid-Godly for being the embodiment of chaos because he has never shown it.

Also I haven't gotten to 86; I am on 85, but I know that he has been atomized. Isn't that still Reliant Immortality, or does that qualify as Mid-Godly? And if it is Mid-Godly, it isn't combat applicable Mid-Godly, since Neon must remember and call to him for Tesla to come back. It's more Resurrection than self-induced Regenerationn.

"If you payed attention before it said that simply by his presence in the sky he brought death to others, it's both by the gaze and his presence."

I completely agree he can atomize someone with his gaze, since that is a pretty big plot point, but he didn't gain his metaphysical destruction until he became Ultharathotep, and I still don't see him being able to "atomize" possibilities and conceptual beings even in that state.

All this said, shouldn't GK have space-time manipulation for being able to tear apart space and destroy time?

Also what is our standard island? Depending on how large of an island he was going to atomize, he may be higher than 6-C.

Edit: Also, GK's attacks tearing through space-time and occurring instantly (and subsequently Tesla's instant thinking) is only Infinite speed, not Immeasurable, unless I am missing something.
 
@Assalt Last thing gonna post for a while, the cracking field is formed by a cracking effect said formula which warps physics and what not, upon becoming ultharthotep, gk's cracking field expanding to the size of the entire world, he controls something which is as large as the world, don't see how that is not planet level, you don't have to destroy a planet to be planet level.

Cracking Field
Planet level


Also i literally just posted above that critters are possibilities, and you're still saying gk can't atomize possibilities, what?

I told you inganock and gahkthun take place in the same series, same world, and are all related, in inganock, it was revealed kikai and critters are possibilities, gk killed nightengales critter, this is pretty straight forward.

And as i have been saying repeatedly tesla is a conceptual being, he died because gk can kill conceptual beings, it's not that hard to understand.

Yes tesla's type 8 isn't combat applicable, but as i have been saying tesla is a fairy tale like existence, he is not a person, he is a concept, just like M is a concept. Fabtastic and trexalfa can supply you with the japanese since you want it.

He should have space-time manipulation.

Don't know what's our standard island.

Crap, seriously need to do that assignment now, due in like an hour, leaving now.
 
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Even with google translate you can get the gist of what it is saying, M is a concept, and as i have been saying like M, all old ones are conceptual beings.
 
well they are right GK's hax is in essance 2-A cuz of edison/nyarl. Glare can kill tesla an pure embodiment of lightning however due to being an old one he can't exist properly and needs an anchor to come back so hence type 8 is useless as CP. Critters are possibilities only so they don't exist and gaze just atomizes them to all hell. He has planetary range as well for them in ultratothep form and hands that ignore time and space erasing even metaphysical things. I'm going with GK FRA just trying to explain more. M is the king of the old ones yes which all are a concept of something (Thunderbird which cursed tesla is a conceptual being of lighting something tesla inherited so yes he does have even the mid-godly)
 
I'm honestly not getting the "draws power from a 2-A = 2-A hax" reasoning.

It's like saying that every fodder psyker in Warhammer 40000 has tier 1 potency for their hax.
 
Idk why y'all are voting. Either GK is indeed as broken as he is described to be and this is a stomp, or he needs some revising.
 
Assaltwaffle said:
Idk why y'all are voting. Either GK is indeed as broken as he is described to be and this is a stomp, or he needs some revising.
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If Amon is literally capable of thinking at the beginning of the fight and mindhaxing someone beyond the level of a Star Wars character, we're not removing the fight for being a stomp
 
@Garg

But he has zero way to win. That is a perfect example of a stomp. I could put Amon against an incredibly powerful being, but if he can't resist the Mind hax, he gets stomped. That's exactly what happens here, except the inverse is true.

This isn't decisive; if the opponent instantly explodes into atoms and is destroyed on a metaphysical level as well no matter what from eye contact, there is no way that isn't a stomp.
 
But he will never get a second. 1,000,000/1,000,000 times he loses since the moment the fight begins GK looks at him and Amon is gone.
 
I point to my previous example

He wins because he draws faster, it is not a stomp

It's the same with literally every Star Wars match involving a character that leads with Mind Hax
 
Which is stupid. If a character literally CANT win against the opponent's leading attack, it doesn't matter if he can beat him after that attack since he is already dead.

There is literally no situation in which GK doesn't just look at Amon to win. Didn't we JUST have a thread in which we discussed what defines a stomp?
 
It still doesn't matter since Amon will literally never win. Just because Amon has the power to beat GK doesn't mean this is any less of a stomp. Zero is zero, regardless of the chance after that initial zero chance has passed.
 
If you want to call this a stomp, fine, I can't stop you.

But Zero chance to win would apply to so many characters that would be incable of having any sort of matches
 
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