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Thats either AP or simply Setsuna gaining protection from Altair. There's no reason why Altair would bring Setsuna back just to kill her.
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Altair's durability downgrade.
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Not the natural AP of Setsuna, but that Altair was raising Setsuna's durability like what RM97 is saying. Transcending "All Creation" also makes sense.
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And my reasons for her downgrade were that she created a Universe and Destroyed it with Hax.Didn't tank anything,no explosion or something that could deal damage to Altair or Setsuna was done.She just waved and the universe erased around them.That's not a durability feat.
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And as mentioned above, they were literally in the center of the Universe when it got destroyed by the looks of it. It's not like they were in another universe when they destroyed it or inside a pocket reality.
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This was a reality warping feat,not just AP.
She specifically destroyed the Universe,it doesn't matter if she was in the epicenter,Altair wasn't the target of that Existence Erasure,the universe was.
I might ask in Q&A if that feat can be scaled to durability.
She specifically destroyed the Universe,it doesn't matter if she was in the epicenter,Altair wasn't the target of that Existence Erasure,the universe was.
I might ask in Q&A if that feat can be scaled to durability.
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I just don't see how you take this "Warping thing" for literall,I read it multiple times and it still doesn't fit
Altair:- If your existence causes this world to be warped, then I'll create another Universe for you
Setsuna's existence was warping the Universe. Altair commented that she can create Another New Universe for her if this universe they are in gets warped. Ergo Setsuna's existence was too much for the Universe to handle. I don't see how this is difficult to understand.
I'm honestly laughing rn. Altair was amped to a level where she was considered a God and can create/destroy universes easily. Setsuna was boosted by Altair to the point where her existence warps the Universe and she called them both Gods. Add to the fact that the Guidebook even points out that both of them Transcend all of Creation at the end just adds the final nail on the coffin.
Altair:- If your existence causes this world to be warped, then I'll create another Universe for you
Setsuna's existence was warping the Universe. Altair commented that she can create Another New Universe for her if this universe they are in gets warped. Ergo Setsuna's existence was too much for the Universe to handle. I don't see how this is difficult to understand.
I'm honestly laughing rn. Altair was amped to a level where she was considered a God and can create/destroy universes easily. Setsuna was boosted by Altair to the point where her existence warps the Universe and she called them both Gods. Add to the fact that the Guidebook even points out that both of them Transcend all of Creation at the end just adds the final nail on the coffin.
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Okay guys, please try to keep this Civil. Saying, "I'm laughing right now" isn't exactly civil. Anyway, what about the "Transcending all Creation" statement? That sounds like it would make for a legit upgrade.
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I'll just ask people if that Universe destruction feat translates to Durability.If so then she stays Low 2-C physically and we are done.
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DDM's right, let's all just be cool and make this a smooth transition.
Not knowledgeable on the verse, but it seems like it really just depends on if we can figure out for sure whether it was hax or AP. People seem to be split on that.
Not knowledgeable on the verse, but it seems like it really just depends on if we can figure out for sure whether it was hax or AP. People seem to be split on that.
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Since this thread went off topic arguing about warping,whether she was strong enough or not and other staff I'd appreciate if we close this.
I'll just create Q&A for that feat specifically since it determines either she really tanked it or not.If ppl think she tanked it then she is obviously low 2-C.
I'll just create Q&A for that feat specifically since it determines either she really tanked it or not.If ppl think she tanked it then she is obviously low 2-C.
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I agree with RM97, this just sounds like downplay.
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If she erased it with energy rather than hax then the justification for her durability should be fine
If she used an ability to erase it then we can't apply her durability to it even if she's at ground zero, because hax doesn't really apply to normal AP or Durability
If she used an ability to erase it then we can't apply her durability to it even if she's at ground zero, because hax doesn't really apply to normal AP or Durability
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Thing is she was amped massively where in-verse amps were shown to directly enhance stats and hax. She went from Low 7-C to Low 2-C instantly with a massive amp.TataHakai said:
There's also her Creating a Universe with an Explosion while she was at ground Zero (16:10 mark)
Then there's her using her void attack to erase the universe at ground zero.
So yes, these are all the Arguments for her Uni+ dura.
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Both feats are hax.....
Which isn't exactly an argument for Dura.
Which isn't exactly an argument for Dura.
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As expected, no counter against the audience amp argument. And both correlates to her AP lmao but let me give you the benefit of the doubt and say the erasure was just RW/Plot hax and doesn't prove her dura, her Universe creation was done through an explosion which you can see and even hear in the video and which she tanked point blank range. Nothing suggests it's some exotic Hax like Reality Warping (Which she uses to create the Second Universe but not the First One) and thus she shouldn't scale.Dzhindzholia said:
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By the looks of it, it seems to be fine to remain as it is.
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Yeah at this point this is just going in circles.
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There was another thread proposing an upgrade, but this thread is concluded. I'll take a look at that other thread though.
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