Altair vs Palkia

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Even Power Mimicry has a limit.

 

[Kaltias]

Yeah, which is why I asked for feats. I'm not buying that she can copy Palkia's powers just because it worked on a giant robot. I do think that she can copy something tho

 

[NeoZex6399]

@Kaltias

Yes, because Cyrus with it power was going to erase all the spirit, which not only represents the soul, but also the aspects that embody the Lake Trio.

 

[FateAlbane]

>>> "Ninth movement is existence erasure, which Palkia resists."

This is the good old case of "They resist it so it's never working."

The moment it connects for real he's done.

 

[FateAlbane]

Other points sound 'k. Just this one that made my eye twitch for a sec.

 

[FateAlbane]

Also while I don't think she may copy it over and over or easily, I can buy Altair copying one Palkia at some point, with effort (of course, not like 18 palkias over and over or one palkia with ease). This is still hax, after all, and Palkia does not exceed her as ridiculously as some other Low 2-Cs around do as far as I'm informed so it should be reasonable.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Is it strong enough to beat his resistance. That's what needs to be examined.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Pretty sure that in terms of raw power, the CT are at the literal top of Low 2-C, @Fate.

 

[FateAlbane]

• Points to DD who is At least Low 2-C by existing and keeps going up from there.

 

[FateAlbane]

Though being fair, that is not a fair comparison given the previous thread results. Anyways, Dragon is right. Just compare her feat with Erasure to Palkia's feat with resistance and we'll know if that's gonna fly.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I mean, iirc, Palkia's mere (weakened) presence was the primary cause of erasure for the setting of that one movie, and the fighting with Dialga accelerated it.

 

[FateAlbane]

I'll drop this before it becomes a case of "My Low 2-C is better and you're a jerk. Bleh".

Even Jedah and Belial already passed by duking it out.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I was talking about the erasure resistance, bruh... If a single CT member's weakened presence deletes things, imagine fighting against them since the beginning of time.

 

[Hykuu]

Sans solos

 

[FateAlbane]

Oh, that. Yeah, sounds like a great feat. Not seeing Altair having anything on that one so Erasure may be out of the table.

 

[Peter1129]

Well for Altair's Factor Mimic even if she can't create a copy of Palkia with its original strength we can still assume that she can create multiple weaker copies of Palkia with its all of its ability just to a lesser extent and try to overwhelm it.

Also I'm pretty sure Altair can travel between different worlds with Holopsicon so I don't think BFR would work. So I vote for Altair for reasons above.

 

[FateAlbane]

Altair: 6 (Gargoyle One, The 2nd Existential Seed, JustSomeWeirdo, Knightofannihilation666, Dragonmasterxyz, Peter1129)

Palkia: 1 (Kaltias)

Inconclusive:

*Do note that people who brought some arguments for Palkia other than Kaltias did not leave a vote yet.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I mean...Palkia for reasons abo-

I mean my own reasons.

 

[FateAlbane]

Altair: 6 (Gargoyle One, The 2nd Existential Seed, JustSomeWeirdo, Knightofannihilation666, Dragonmasterxyz, Peter1129)

Palkia: 2 (Kaltias, The real cal howard)

Inconclusive:

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Switching my vote to Palkia for now....as much as I despise that pink dragon.....(long story....)

 

[FateAlbane]

Altair: 5 (Gargoyle One, The 2nd Existential Seed, JustSomeWeirdo, Knightofannihilation666, Peter1129)

Palkia: 3 (Kaltias, The real cal howard, Dragonmasterxyz)

Inconclusive:

 

[NeoZex6399]

I vote for Palkia for my reasons.

 

[FateAlbane]

What a twist!

Altair: 5 (Gargoyle One, The 2nd Existential Seed, JustSomeWeirdo, Knightofannihilation666, Peter1129)

Palkia: 4 (Kaltias, The real cal howard, Dragonmasterxyz, NeoZex6399)

Inconclusive:

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

I'm going with Palkia for reasons above too. Some stuff for Altair sounds super NLFish especially power mimicry.

Also for more existence erasure resistance, remember Dialga and Palkia both fought in an area where existence was erased and they didnt even notice it in the slightest.

 

[FateAlbane]

Altair: 5 (Gargoyle One, The 2nd Existential Seed, JustSomeWeirdo, Knightofannihilation666, Peter1129)

Palkia: 5 (Kaltias, The real cal howard, Dragonmasterxyz, NeoZex6399, ProfessorKukui4Life)

Inconclusive:

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Switching to Palkia for the reasons that are not mine and are in a state of being above

 

[FateAlbane]

Altair: 4 (Gargoyle One, The 2nd Existential Seed, Knightofannihilation666, Peter1129)

Palkia: 6 (Kaltias, The real cal howard, Dragonmasterxyz, NeoZex6399, ProfessorKukui4Life, JustSomeWeirdo)

Inconclusive:

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Talk about one hell of a turnabout.

 

[Peter1129]

I know right. Well so much for Altair getting one win in Low 2-C I think she should get a bit more matches in the lower tiers instead.

 

[FateAlbane]

Well, match is not over yet. Maybe those who know Altair will end up making more arguments for her.

 

[Kaltias]

A baseline Low 2-C copy of Palkia would be stomped rather easily from the original, and BFR isn't the only option.

Also is Altair's regen instant?

As for the power mimicry, I do expect her to copy Palkia's basic attacks, maybe even a bit of the haxes that they share. But she isn't controlling space like Palkia does, for example.

 

[Peter1129]

If I remember correctly her Regenerationn took around roughly 10-25 seconds in episode 20 when she got erased by Sirius. But the timeframe could be shorter since the video seems to have replayed the same parts to three different audience in those time. One is the Creations in the battlefield, another is the audience watching the anime right now, and finally the military support behind the scenes.

 

[FateAlbane]

Regen is legit a massive factor since Palkia kinda lacks any and even assuming she can't come back from a BFR by herself, as long as she can copy a weaker Palkia she would still be able to use said copy's powers to come back to the fighting place in a reasonable ammount of time, at least.

 

[GalaxianAegis]

Alright, to give some context as to how Altair's power mimicry works as well as her summoning it's she summons a copy of said entity from the series. In the episode she uses it, she summons Kanoya's Gigas Machina, a big robot mech, to fight the original in combat.

As far as them being "real" it deals with the fact that the Re:Creators creations are creations instead of being real people. However in the setting they have all their powers and abilities and can hurt people, so they are just as real as anyone else.

Altair herself is stronger than everyone else in the series in raw combat, so to say she can summon beings on the same level as herself would be accurate.

However Palkia's BFR as well as being exempt from her Causality Manipulation and Fate Manipulation is effective.

 

[FateAlbane]

So, you're voting anyone?

 

[GalaxianAegis]

I'll vote Altair for now. Because as you said, if Palkia can be recreated and has sufficient ability to nullify the other Palkia then Altair should have an advantage.

Dealing with her Regenerationn and possession abilities is another issue as well.

 

[FateAlbane]

My point is more like that, while a weaker copy wouldn't be a match for Palkia in battle, it would serve as a reliable pathway for her to come back if BFR'd, as I can see the copy actually getting her out of whatever BFR via the same powers, within the time limit we have.

Altair: 5 (Gargoyle One, The 2nd Existential Seed, Knightofannihilation666, Peter1129, GalaxianAegis)

Palkia: 6 (Kaltias, The real cal howard, Dragonmasterxyz, NeoZex6399, ProfessorKukui4Life, JustSomeWeirdo)

Inconclusive:

 

[Kaltias]

To put the AP gap into perspective, say that a punch from Altair is Low 2-C. That's as strong as Dialga's heart beating/Palkia breathing. If you compare these two things in real life, difference is a x100 as a lowball. While i'm not saying that the gap is THAT big, it's still relevant

 

[FateAlbane]

It is but problem is that punching someone won't do much good when they can come back after like 20 seconds even if your punch were to outright reduce them to basically nothing.

 

[FateAlbane]

Though to be fair, if Palkia is truly Limitless in Stamina he might end up outlasting Altair in a battle of attrition unless she has some solid means of putting it down.