Altair (Re:Creators) Upgrade to 1-A

[Orion'sBow]

After watching Re:Creators several times and reading up about it, I've come to the conclusion that Altair should be 1-A.

To be 1-A (Outerversal), a character must meet several qualifications, which Altair does.

Re:Creators is a massive world, and Altair can do virtually anything she pleases in it by the end of the series. I will provide scans to back my my statements up.

The Human part of Re:Creators is the part of the world which creates the stories https://imgur.com/a/qohFx80. Every story is a fully formed world, and every different version of canon is a divergent timeline/universe https://imgur.com/a/1lWKqzK This even includes any creative imagination of humanity https://imgur.com/a/G6MgAYQ https://imgur.com/a/r9iwIys. Logically, a world formed with every imagination of humanity as a universe (At least) would be very large in size, Hyperverse at smallest. Altair, who had multiple stories and canons making her up in the start (An ever growing number, technically making her multidimensional on a large scale), managed to transcend the massive dimensional barrier between fiction/reality and be able to exist outside of her stories https://imgur.com/a/fBU9n9I, making her existence, which is composed of an infinitely growing amount of people's wills, thoughts, and imaginations (Thus dimensions), nearly boundless https://imgur.com/mZuJqqp https://imgur.com/XtgRZao https://imgur.com/1YvpDc2. In the end of the story, she transcends even the beliefs in her by creating her own story and cosmos https://imgur.com/a/PBE6wS6 which transcends the human one https://imgur.com/a/ypx1OFW, thus removing herself from any law of causality which would bind her, and transcending past the concept of dimensional measurement.

Her power in the universes is great as well. Altair can travel between the fictional and real worlds at will https://imgur.com/4uJMt0w, and pull out any character she likes from them, even from different versions (She pulled anime Selesia, and novel Charon https://imgur.com/Dmtbp2y.) Altair's physical power may not be great, but she makes up for it in almost unparalleled hax. She can erase objects, and depower people https://imgur.com/a/ufBZn7U. She can turn people or objects into flowers. She can duplicate people, objects, the laws that accompany them, and make them work in her favor. The only way to affect her is to target her concept https://imgur.com/a/WTbJl02, and she has shaken those attempts off easily. She uses probability manipulation to escape from attacks that would destroy/render her unable to fight in any way https://imgur.com/a/el9XFba. She creates her own plot when she enters combat https://imgur.com/9BsxD07, allowing her to manipulate it at will, such as by undoing plot changes for characters, erasing their plots entirely https://imgur.com/a/C5bPUSz, or writing new plots for them to follow. Altair's power is also almost impossible, if not impossible, for other characters to hax/stop https://imgur.com/a/0TB0NeT (They would need to exceed her in universe approval, which is nigh impossible.)


So, how does this all mean that Altair should be 1-A Outerversal?

Let's Review.

We've seen that stories, thoughts, and imaginations make up the Re:Creators world, making it immensely vast.

Altair is the embodiment of multiple of these stories, making her a multidimensional being even before the end.

At the end, she can casually influence or destroy the world below her as she sees fit, and she has created a world which transcends its limitations, as she does.

Altair's ridiculous hax make her insanely powerful in combat.


A limitless being with this much power over a imitless region should not logically be anything but 1-A.


Myths

1: Altair could be defeated by removing her from anyone who believed in her BFR style.

This would not work, even on pre EoS Altair. She was trapped in a conceptual, dimensional barrier by Selesia https://imgur.com/PRc5cPF, which cut her off from the rest of the world, and she still had access to all her powers https://imgur.com/BpbJ2Ef.

2: Altair's powers only affect the Creations.

The powers of the Holopsicon are clearly shown to have an effect on the real world by damaging it https://imgur.com/a/zeEFwsl. Hence, coupled with the fact that she creates plots whenever she gets into fights, this claim has no basis.

3: Altair could be speedblitzed/nuked by X character.

Altair's hax make her virtually invulerable to most opponents, physical strength notwithstanding.


In conclusion, based on rewatching the show carefully, studying it, and viewing other's solid opinions of it, I have come to the conclusion that pre Eos Altair is a 1-C Hyperversal Hax Monster, and that Eos Altair is a 1-A Outerversal Hax Goddess.


I leave you all with this meme.


https://imgur.com/a/dBhgV4O

 

[Orion'sBow]

Ignore everything at the bottom, my cat messed with my keyboard.

 

[WHYNAUT]

You can edit it.

 

[Antvasima]

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[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

>Checks Board

>Isnt fun and games

Oh Boy

 

[Orion'sBow]

You can edit it.

I didn't notice that because I spent almost 6 hours doing this and lost all my sleep lol...

 

[Paul_Frank]

Following I guess

 

[Marquis_Samigina]

That's some Firepheonixearl's level shit right here.

 

[Antvasima]

So should we close this?

 

[Paul_Frank]

Yes

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

So should we close this?

Just give time for the knowledgeable member to debunk his reasoning and correct him.

 

[Extreme123dz]

Before someone closes this, can anyone argue (and bring proof) why this does not work? outside the "common logic" or the "Ad Populum"?

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I will wait.

You can use the Re:Creators page to find knowledgeable members to ask to comment here.

 

[Orion'sBow]

Before someone closes this, can anyone argue (and bring proof) why this does not work? outside the "common logic" or the "Ad Populum"?

I am curious, how does this not work? I believe that I effectively showed how Altair is transdimensional via in-series logic.

 

[WHYNAUT]

The tiers on this wiki don't go by in-series logic tho, they go by feats and scaling. I don't know anything about re:creators so that's all I'll say.

 

[Orion'sBow]

Re:Creators is a massive verse formed of countless dimensions which Altair can manipulate. She also transcends its boundaries in the end, making her Outerversal.

By "In-Series Logic" I was referring to Re:Creators' Cosmology. It's like how we use the Cosmology of series like the Masadaverse, DC Universe, WTC Verse, etc. to explain how the characters/settings are Outerversal.

I would also recommend checking out Re:Creators; It's a great series in my opinion.

 

[Paul_Frank]

Countless =/= infinite

 

[Orion'sBow]

True. To Clarify, the normal/human Re:Creators verse has a countless amount of dimensions. It is not infinite, and I have never claimed it is.

However, Altair isn't a part of that in the end. As I stated previously, the fact that Altair is a sentient being formed of so many stories (Which are dimensions in Re:Creators) makes the baseline version of her a multidimensional being, but in the end she leaves the normal world behind to become a story she creates herself. That's what I meant by Altair transcending it's boundaries. She doesn't exist in the normal part which is finite anymore.

This makes Altair an acausal being who is beyond the concept of dimensional measurement, and all worlds she creates that way as well. She is also proven to have control over both sets of worlds, her own and the normal one beneath hers.

I suppose the best way to understand it would be to think of two circles, with one on top of the other. The one beneath is the human world, and from its center, all the other stories emerge.

The circle above it is Altair's world, which is acausal, infinite, even more complex, and ruled over by her directly.

To be with Setsuna and save the world, Altair left the lower one behind to create the higher one, but she still has authority over the one beneath her.

Baseline Altair is multiversal at lowest, with the ability to manipulate a hyperverse. EoS Altair is outerversal who can affect a hyperverse beneath her, and an outerverse around her.

 

[Overlord4896]

this seems multiversal at best to me at least. it is never exactly shown that she transcends the concept of dimensions. she also states that she would create a whole other universe but that universe probably doesnt suprass the concept of dimensions. i agree with an upgrade to 2A but nothing more much less 1A.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

infinite dimensions were not shown in the verse and neither were High 1-B and 1A verses as stories in the verse.

 

[Overlord4896]

i completly agree with with setsuna. it also doesnt make sense for these stories to be higher dimensional than thier original creator universe (the human world in the anime) as that would mean the characters from those stories should transcdend their original creators universe by whatever higher dimension they are which they do not as the orginial universe has practically complete control over these stories so it safe to assume they are all of the third dimension. otherwise we will have to assume that the original universe is higher than 3D which it clearly 100% isnt. even when altair created that universe of hers it was never stated to be higher dimensional at all, infact it looked like a normal 3D universe which she can create an infinite amount off but would require an infinite amount of time to do so. so in this case low 2C completely makes sense for her character and no upgrade should be taken place, espically the 1A upgrade which is really far-fetched.

 

[Orion'sBow]

>Altair's stories aren't infinite

https://imgur.com/a/EnTWfSM.

>No higher dimensional characters than 3D ones exist in the human world

A Multidimensional Hound of Tindalos exists in it. https://imgur.com/a/HYoB4P8. The Verse it came from is higher than 3D, so this claim is destroyed by canon. Also, the story is all about worlds where different laws break into the human one and cause it to shatter. This includes higher dimensional stuff like the Hound of Tindalos.

>None of this qualifies her as dimensionally boundless.

She's unbound by any of the laws that affect the lower verse or its multiple dimensions, and has gone from an Endless Story (Infinitely Expanding Dimensional Being) to an Infinite Story (Infinite Dimensional Being). She can also destroy the lower world at will, and can create an infinite world for herself.


Idunno, having that much hax, dimensional tiering, and dimensional authority seem like pretty good qualifications for being 1-A https://imgur.com/a/FV1N8h3.

 

[Antvasima]

The word "dimensions" inaccurately used as a synonym for stories usually means that they are separate universes, not higher-dimensional realms, and even if there were countless spatial dimensions, trancending them would usually just mean "countless + 1" dimensions, unless it has clearly been proven that a character possesses a qualitative superiority to all degrees of time and space/the concept of dimensions themselves.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Agreed with Ant.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

What even is this thread? Even if you highball altair she would be 6-D, 1-A Atair is such a high rating, i can't even fathom it.

Stories just means universes, not higher dimensions, and even if they were, transcending them still wouldn't make her 1-A.

This all fall apart from the very beginning where it's assumed that every story humans created are hyperversal which has never been stated in story, and what exists are merely numerous universes.

 

[Orion'sBow]

Ruling an infinite story she effortlessly made puts her above the concepts of time, space, and dimensions.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

No.

Story just means universe, this doesn't make her 1-A.

Only time any sort of higher dimensionsal stuff is mentioned is with the hound being 5-D, and even if i indulge you and say every story created is 5-D, and countless or even infinite 5-D stories exist, Altair would still be very far from 1-A.

It has never been stated that Altair transcends dimensions on a qualitative level.

 

[Orion'sBow]

What even is this thread? Even if you highball altair she would be 6-D, 1-A Atair is such a high rating, i can't even fathom it.
Stories just means universes, not higher dimensions, and even if they were, transcending them still wouldn't make her 1-A.

This all fall apart from the very beginning where it's assumed that every story humans created are hyperversal which has never been stated in story, and what exists are merely numerous universes.

I said that the Human World was a Hyperverse because of the endless nature and the high dimensional nature of the worlds inside it, not that each story was.

Altair straight up transcends all the dimensions below her. She is a living story, so a universe, but with each art/canon added to her, her nature became more and more multiversal. When she becomes infinite by creating her infinite world, she has transcended the concepts of dimensions because the amount of universes (Stories) that make her up then are unquantifiable, since she exists as an infinite story who rules over an infinite existence which exists because she wants it to.

Altair isn't bound by anything anymore, and the ending makes that pretty clear.

 

[Antvasima]

I agree with Celestial Pegasus. We should probably close this thread.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

@Orion The stories are just universes, never been stated to be higher dimensionsal, and again even if they were still wouldn't make Altair 1-A.

Altair doesn't transcend all dimensions, only thing she transcended was the yoke of her world, making her a character without a background, thus she gains the abilities that people add to anything with her in it, this isn't 1-A.

All that happens at the end of the series is Altair became able to create universes/stories, nothing is stated about her transcending the concept of dimensions altogether.

@Ant I agree.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I will close this then.