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Alpha/Omega ( DC/Vertigo comics ) tier 0 CRT

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After a month of research, I discovered a new character in DC that can be placed in the high tier. "Alpha" is a short story featured in Mystery in Space (2012), published by DC Comics under the Vertigo imprint, and written by Nathan Edmondson. It is a one-shot comic that is not related to any of DC's other cosmologies.

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It began with a single story about how grandpa almost passed away. When he passed away, the reality beside him warped and formed into one. When reality formed into one, an entity known as Alpha was emerged inside the nothingness. Alpha is the embodiment of everything and it's the beginning and again, he is everything and all things. Everything and all things are indulgence to break up the loneliness and burden of eternity. Both Alpha and Omega are divided by infinite to create a illusion of life and there's nothing beyond but himself. Alpha and Omega are one and It contains the rest of cosmology including himself. ( Mystery in space #full ). There are only few informations about him but however, some concepts in this comics are based on theological and philosophical analogies. Like Aristotle's theology of Primum Movens, where the god came from the place that is neither space, nor void, nor time and outside of everything. Hence whatever is there, is of such a nature as not to occupy any place, nor does time age it; nor is there any change in any of the things which lie beyond the outermost motion. In Mystery in the space comic, the concept lies the same. Alpha in his purest form exist as one where nothing beyond it including nothingness and everything.

Qualification Reasoning for Tier 0 of Alpha.
1. here is no existence beyond Alpha, all things are contingent on him, which is the necessary existence before and after everything, and absolutely all existence is a mere illusion created by him to break the weight of his eternal loneliness of his primordial and absolute nature.
2. Everything is contingent on him, and all infinite existence is part of his being, being infinitely above all of his Creation which is shaped by one of his aspects.
3. Alpha is everything, all existence, all that IS, and nothing beyond it (because being everything, there is no what will be or what was outside of what it encompasses, and nothing beyond it).
4. Both Alpha and Omega are aspects of it which directly means, Alpha in his purest form is non-dual.

final conclusion :

There's nothing beyond him and everything is part of him ( including omega,alpha ), represent as infinite and is the only one that exist beyond. All existence is a mere illusion created by him to break the weight of his eternal loneliness of his apeiron nature.

This is more than enough to count Alpha as Tier 0.
 
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"Warped and formed into One" meaning it was not "One" before, there is a change here
Here
  • The character is depicted as having a "shape" inside a black space[nothingness], rather then encompassing that nothingness
  • There is another character besides him, distinct from him in shape and features, that he does not encompass
  • They both can "move"
  • They both can "think" inasmuch as questioning "What is this place"[meaning he do not know everything] and the rest of the convo, this is not possible for a tier0
Again, the fact that "Alpha" and "Omega" are distinct beings, and Alpha initially was not aware of who "Omega" is. And Omega said "It starts again", which means that "Everything" here is changing for them, but that should not be possible for a tier 0 since a tier 0 itself encompasses all of "Time", in the sense that everything is an eternally "now" for it. It "starting again" is an indication of change, however, and thus another anti-feat.
He can "Feel" things, he can feel horror and "pain", another anti-feat
"Divide yourself"... and again, the very depiction. Even if you argue that he truly knows everything and it is just him "forgetting" it, whether by will or not, that itself is also an anti-feat once again.
A few points
  • They are shown to be "joining"?
  • He wants to "forget" everything...

So, in conclusion.... yeah, this has a BUNCH of anti-feats from the very scans that act as evidence of it being tier 0. I thus hard disagree. It feels like this CRT just ignored all the "it cannot be tier 0" material from the scans completely and just tried to focus on the "similarities with tier 0" stuff.

 
"Warped and formed into One" meaning it was not "One" before, there is a change here
Yea nope, Omega directly said that Everything is Alpha and Alpha is Source of it. Which directly means everything emerged from Alpha and Omega also stated multiple times that Alpha is the Source of all things. [1] [2] " you are the Alpha, You are the beginning, you are the all things ".

There's a reason why I said " emerged into one " because Alpha create the reality and his small aspect to break the loneliness of his will, everytime he feels lonely, he forget everything and Alpha ( the blue guy ) formed himself as reality and reincarnate as a human. That's why Omega said " This happen everytime. Soon, you will remember everything. This essentially means that the cycle will persist indefinitely, repeating itself over and over, just as it has consistently done throughout history.
  • The character is depicted as having a "shape" inside a black space[nothingness], rather then encompassing that nothingness
  • There is another character besides him, distinct from him in shape and features, that he does not encompass
  • They both can "move"
  • They both can "think" inasmuch as questioning "What is this place"[meaning he do not know everything] and the rest of the convo, this is not possible for a tier0
Seems like there are tons of misconceptions in ur quote.

- I concur with the notion that Alpha represents 'something' rather than 'nothing.' However, the title 'Alpha/Omega' was intentional, as both Alpha and Omega—symbolized by the blue man and pink woman—are manifestations of the same true form, which is inherently nameless. When Alpha entered the void and remarked 'nothingness?', it affirmed that he still existed as 'something.' The narrative surrounding Omega reinforces this, emphasizing that " it is only nothingness until you create something. ” as soon as Alpha/Omega reincarnated and re-created reality, he confess himself that he is nothing and everything at same time. But u have to understand that, it was just a manifestation since Alpha and Omega are one and Alpha was divided by infinity which basically means the pure state/true essence > Omega/Alpha. Even Alpha/Omega him/herself represent both non-existence and existence so, the purest state of it would be deeper.

- seems like ur ignoring the last panel, it directly said they are one Omega is Alpha and Alpha is Omega and it divided from infinity to break the weight of it loneliness and Alpha/Omega does encompass all things. It stated multiple times.

- true they both can move because they formed as something which is nothing and everything.

- yea they both can think and the only one who wonder the location is Alpha but as soon as the statement confirmed that they are same with different aware divided from infinity/purest state.

Again, the fact that "Alpha" and "Omega" are distinct beings, and Alpha initially was not aware of who "Omega" is. And Omega said "It starts again", which means that "Everything" here is changing for them, but that should not be possible for a tier 0 since a tier 0 itself encompasses all of "Time", in the sense that everything is an eternally "now" for it. It "starting again" is an indication of change, however, and thus another anti-feat.
naturally yes they both aren't same but for some stuff, they are same. As, Omega represents as a reminder of Alpha when all existence become Alpha again. The last two panel disprove ur statement which Omega and Alpha being purely different, where Alpha and Omega are one. I will not elaborate about how the cycle of Omega and Alpha became again as I already elaborate before. It does encompass everything since Alpha/Omega represent as Nothing and Everything at same time and Alpha/Omega is small aspect of infinity/purest state and it directly mentioned that " There's no existence beyond you " which disqualify all of ur statements.

He can "Feel" things, he can feel horror and "pain", another anti-feat

"Divide yourself"... and again, the very depiction. Even if you argue that he truly knows everything and it is just him "forgetting" it, whether by will or not, that itself is also an anti-feat once again.
it's just some part of him since Omega doesn't feel anything like him.

Divide ur self is actually refers to how they both was divided from infinity as a form. Since the word of " You " represent as both Omega and Alpha. The point of " Forgetting " doesn't work since Alpha was forgetting himself who he was but after he realized that Omega and Alpha are already one so one side was forgetting and one side was remembering as always.
A few points
  • They are shown to be "joining"?
  • He wants to "forget" everything...

- no never shown anything like that and they are always one, Omega is just a other side of Alpha to remind that he was everything.

- because he want to breakup the weight of his own loneliness, it's metaphorically sense that it seems like he doesn't want to control everything with purpose, instead, he just want to enjoy essense of nature.


So, in conclusion.... yeah, this has a BUNCH of anti-feats from the very scans that act as evidence of it being tier 0. I thus hard disagree. It feels like this CRT just ignored all the "it cannot be tier 0" material from the scans completely and just tried to focus on the "similarities with tier 0" stuff.
nope and nope I don't see any anti-feats here and they are just tons of head-canons and misconceptions of your. As I already point out everything u point.
 
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