Alovenas 1-A+ Downgrade

[Antvasima]

It seems like we should apply Ultima's suggestion then.

 

[GLHF22]

It seems like we should apply Ultima's suggestion then.

Okay so "Atleast Outerverse level, likely up to Outerverse level+"

For justification is there any suggestion?

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

No, he also said possibly higher (which doesn't mean Outerversal+)

 

[GLHF22]

But if the justification is enough to qualify as 1-A+ why not?

As the infinite transcendence is legit.

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

Pretty sure 1-A+ is still heavily disagreed on

so just higher seems better IMO

 

[GLHF22]

The translation itself said that, and Ultima also give "Outerversal+" as an option, if you disagree can you please tell me the reason?

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

He also put Higher, so you can't put him saying it as proof she actually is

 

[GLHF22]

He also put Higher, so you can't put him saying it as proof she actually is

Except the infinite transcendence (infinite^infinite) is legit and Will be used in the justification.

 

[Agnaa]

Ultima offered 1-A+ and higher as options, primarily supporting 1-A+ apparently.

DarkGrath and Sir prefer higher.

Ultima gave a counterargument to the infinite^infinite idea:

The "infinity^infinity" mentioned in the text is clearly meant to put emphasis on her power being increased after already reaching ∞, but it's mentioned so suddenly and out of nowhere that interpretations could go both ways, as shown by pretty much this entire thread.

 

[GLHF22]

Isnt i have said that the whole increasing stats is come from the same battle?

 

[GLHF22]

Wait im gonna translate more stuff, and of course asking Japanese to evaluate the translation.

 

[Elizhaa]

On Ultima's proposals, I think At least Outerverse level, possibly higher is the best and safer option. Though, I am not opposed to At least Outerverse level, possibly up to Outerverse level+.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that "Outerverse level, possibly Outerverse level+" seems better personally.

 

[GLHF22]

There some context of whole infinity^infinity thing

This hasnt been evaluated yet but atleast you can see that infinity^infinity thing didnt come out of nowhere

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"The opponent in this scale is overwhelming, But now i already stand in the same domain, we're fight in the Realm of God which transcends the world.

If thats the case, then. After that, it's just a bit of competition of selfishness.

the limit of strength, how strong you are, its pointless to think about such useless thing.


there is only one thing that push me here, no extra logic or theory.

ÒÇî You're strong, but i'm stronger. ÒÇì

at the same time Ruphas power jumped, surpassing Alovenas's settings.

Ultimate Universe? i don't know such thing.

Infinite stats that rising constantly? i don't care.

You can redifine every settings? so what.ÒÇî i'm stronger than all of them ÒÇì all this done with this single word.

Oddly enough, as Alovenas said, there is no concepts of strength in a battle that has reached this level anymore.

Concepts, providence, law, even the limitations themselves, all of that is created by God. These things are not exist in God's Realm. You can only create it yourselves.

Paint the pure white canvas as i like, insisting that i'm correct.

If Alovenas can do that, then there is no way we cannot do that.

Because we are the inhabitant of the world that Alovenas created.

Therefore, the existing rules and the like do not apply, laws of physics and the like is also completely cannot be applied

What cannot be done by the gods who was killed by Alovenas is possible if you inherited Alovenas power.

Alovenas is unarguably the strongest, thats why its only her own power that can defeat her.

Then, from here onwards, compare your selfishness, compare you power.

its just a quarrel between kids, the opponent insist that he is strong but the other also insist that he is stronger and then its repeated again

This is God's Territority so anything is possible.

in an instant, Ruphas stats become "∞" and "∞" characters continues to be displayed at any level, Infinite^infinite, with this anything can be cleared up easily, even by merely existing, Ultimate Universe disappear like dust"

 

[GLHF22]

So chochomikAlex has evaluate the translation, is there anything to do?

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I think that we agreed about that you can apply "At least Outerverse level, possibly Outerverse level+".

 

[GLHF22]

Any suggestion for justification?

 

[Antvasima]

No. Sorry. I thought that you would know.

 

[GLHF22]

Would "Her transcendence is infinite, and transcending infinitely beyond that" work?

 

[Antvasima]

That sounds rather confusing and unspecific i.m.h.o.

 

[GLHF22]

What about this?

"Alovenas is able to arbitrarily and qualitatively build up strength relative to itself, without any restrictions. the statuses of Alovenas can instantly turn into a state of infinity, each infinity transcends another and infinities continue to be displayed at any level, regardless of the height taken, infinitely multiplying infinity, reaching infinity, and so on infinitely."

 

[Antvasima]

That sounds more like a High 1-B definition than a justification for the tier that we intend. Also, the word "arbitrarily" seems out of place.

Does anybody else have a suggestion? I would appreciate the help.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

I wrote this up after taking a look at the explanation blogs:

At least Outerverse level (Exists in the White Room, a transcendental blank canvas that is devoid of the concept of size entirely and stands beyond the layered structure of the universe, with her power in relation to it being compared to that of an author, where any extensions or recursions of greater universes, each trivializing the last, are under her full control and exist as something she can arbitrarily expand while being beyond the reach of the process entirely), likely higher (Can increase her own power endlessly and at will, reaching through arbitrarily higher levels of infinity, whereupon foes that were previously comparable to her in power are completely transcended and stand in a "lower world" which can be effortlessly tore apart like paper)

I believe Ieft out some things from it, but this is just a draft, so someone who is more knowledgeable on the verse than me should be able to improve it, as well as change the description based on whatever was agreed here.

 

[GLHF22]

Thats looks good, though im not sure what's need to be improved here and im not good at making the justification but i Will try my best.


At least Outerverse level (Exists in the White Room, a transcendental blank canvas, the source of everything whilst also devoid of it entirely, stands beyond the layered structure of the universe, with her power in relation to it being compared to that of an author, where any extensions or recursions of greater universes, each trivializing the last, are under her full control and exist as something she can arbitrarily expand while being beyond the reach of the process entirely), likely Outerverse level+ (Can increase her own power endlessly and at will, reaching through arbitrarily higher levels of infinity, whereupon foes that were previously comparable to her in power are completely transcended, as if she stand in the "higher world" which trivialized the "lower world".)

"Higher world" if we go by the entire arc it can be means 3 things

1. Molecule

2. Paper

3. File


So because of this i want to use a word that can covers those 3 , though if "trivialized" still cannot covers those 3 i hope someone willing to correct it.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out. It is appreciared.

I think that Ultima's suggestion should work fine, but we should switch "likely higher" with "likely Outerverse level+".

 

[Nepuko]

Tbh I agree with Ultima's latest post and Agnaa's previous posts on that, "likely higher" is the safest and most likely one in my honest opinion, but if Outerversal+ is agreed on then I'll do so as well.

Though from the above posts and comments about the translation and the nature of the justification, I think replacing "likely Outerversal+" with "possibly Outerversal+" would be more precise.

But not much of an issue I'd suppose.

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

"At least Outerverse level, possibly Outerverse level+" seems to be the most plausible compromise from what I've seen.

 

[Elizhaa]

Thank you for helping out. It is appreciared.
I think that Ultima's suggestion should work fine, but we should switch "likely higher" with "likely Outerverse level+".

I think Ultima's version is fine.

Alovenas' justifications were never good enough to give her the likely Outerversal level+ tier; the evidence was only good enough to get her there with contest growth (Current tier: Outerverse level, will eventually become Outerverse level+ ). Now, after many translations and inputs from the people like Aeyu which put dent into the Outerversal level+ tier, I think what Ultima proposed for the tier here is more valid and safer.

 

[GLHF22]

I think Ultima's version is fine.

Alovenas' justifications were never good enough to give her the likely Outerversal level+ tier; the evidence was only good enough to get her there with contest growth (Current tier: Outerverse level, will eventually become Outerverse level+ ). Now, after many translations and inputs from the people like Aeyu which put dent into the Outerversal level+ tier, I think what Ultima proposed for the tier here is more valid and safer.

I mean the scan already shows her transcendence is infinite and increasing infinitely, its just me who cannot make a proper justification thus make people doubt with her tier, so i think this is my fault.

 

[GLHF22]

So i think this has been concluded?

 

[GLHF22]

Can i apply the change then?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

It seems only "At least 1-A, likely higher" is being accepted here as per Ultima's and Elizhaa's last post

 

[GLHF22]

It seems only "At least 1-A, likely higher" is being accepted here as per Ultima's and Elizhaa's last post

Ultima said change whatever has been agreed here, Julian choose 1-A+, Elizhaa didnt oppose the 1-A+ either,he just want a safe choice, and the 1-A+ also not debunked so why not?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

He said he is fine with At least 1-A, likely higher' tho

And Elizhaa agrees with Ultima's choice (not to mention that he said that 1-A+ doesnt have sufficient evidence)

 

[GLHF22]

He said he is fine with At least 1-A, likely higher'

And Elizhaa agrees with Ultima's choice (not to mention that he literally said that 1-A+ doesnt have sufficient evidence)

He said justification not evidence, the justification never good enough since im not good to make one.

Ultima :

"I believe Ieft out some things from it, but this is just a draft, so someone who is more knowledgeable on the verse than me should be able to improve it, as well as change the description based on whatever was agreed here."

 

[Threemagi]

Everyone seems to agree on Outerverse+ too to me. So, why not indeed..

Also, the only staff online seems to be @Antvasima. You may want to call @Ant to unlock the page, @GLHF22

Maybe @Elizhaa and @Ultima are working, or maybe its sleeptime on their time zones.

 

[Antvasima]

I will unlock the Alovenas page, but it seems like Elizhaa, Ultima, and Nepuko only agree with "likely higher", so you should initially only adjust the page to that.

 

[GLHF22]

But, with that justification her Tier should be able to reach 1-A+, since she reaching infinite transcendence, and keep transcending boundlessly

 

[Nepuko]

If you mean the justification Ultima posted above, that actually dosen't reach Outerversal+. It basically shows that she's constantly transcending, always reaching higher layers, which would make her very very high into 1-A, but not yet 1-A+. Basically the Outerversal equivalent of SCP-3812.

That's what the justification is showing ^_^.

But maybe by modifying it a bit or stretching it a bit, it could fit "possibly Outerversal+". I am not particularly against that rating and it seems to be good compromise, though "likely higher" is still the most fitting. At least in regards to the justification.

Of course, if the proper translation catches up to that you could make another thread since it'll be clearer I suppose.

 

[GLHF22]

SCP-3812 did reach the infinity-th layers right? And so is Alovenas, she reach the infinity-th layers and keep transcending beyond that.

What about this?

At least Outerverse level (Exists in the White Room, a transcendental blank canvas, the source of everything whilst also devoid of it entirely, stands beyond the layered structure of the universe, with her power in relation to it being compared to that of an author, where any extensions or recursions of greater universes, each trivializing the last, are under her full control and exist as something she can arbitrarily expand while being beyond the reach of the process entirely), likely Outerverse level+ (Can increase her own power boundlessly and at will, reaching through arbitrarily higher than infinite of infinity, where each infinities makes foes that were previously comparable to her in power are completely transcended, as if she stand in the "higher world" which trivializing the "lower world".)