All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

[Nullflowerblush]

Got a scan for the Kami and Piccolo 1 soul thing?

• In Dead Zone's opening, Garlic Jr. says: "ピッコロと神は一心同体," or "Piccolo and Kami are of one spirit and one body."
  • Kami experiences physical pain after Piccolo is defeated by the Spice Boys.
• In chapter 13 of Dragon Ball Z, Kami says: "My death is Piccolo's death, and Piccolo's death is my death…"
• In chapter 25, Kami accurately predicts Piccolo's death.
• In chapter 29, before dying, Kami once again experiences physical pain after Piccolo is defeated by Nappa.
• In chapter 99, Piccolo says: "When I come back to life, so will the God of Earth! We're as one!"
• In Dragon Ball Z episode 113, Garlic Jr. says: "ピッコロよ 神と貴様は一心同体," or "Piccolo, you and Kami are of one spirit and one body."
  • Piccolo is weakened and is drained of his energy after the previous Guardians begin stealing Kami's soul and erasing his body.
• Daizenshuu 6 says: "God and Piccolo are one in mind and body!"

 

[StekFence]

Goku and Future Trunks are separate beings with separate souls. Why, then, did Trunks possess "the same [Ki] as [Goku]" as a Super Saiyan?

I wanna say this one is that there is a “quality” or feeling that super saiyans possess. Of course that would mean that all super saiyans feel like each other and I don’t think such confusion exists outside this part of the story

 

[Treeztarz]

• In Dead Zone's opening, Garlic Jr. says: "ピッコロと神は一心同体," or "Piccolo and Kami are of one spirit and one body."
  • Kami experiences physical pain after Piccolo is defeated by the Spice Boys.
• In chapter 13 of Dragon Ball Z, Kami says: "My death is Piccolo's death, and Piccolo's death is my death…"
• In chapter 25, Kami accurately predicts Piccolo's death.
• In chapter 29, before dying, Kami once again experiences physical pain after Piccolo is defeated by Nappa.
• In chapter 99, Piccolo says: "When I come back to life, so will the God of Earth! We're as one!"
• In Dragon Ball Z episode 113, Garlic Jr. says: "ピッコロよ 神と貴様は一心同体," or "Piccolo, you and Kami are of one spirit and one body."
  • Piccolo is weakened and is drained of his energy after the previous Guardians begin stealing Kami's soul and erasing his body.
• Daizenshuu 6 says: "God and Piccolo are one in mind and body!"

isn't this just like their life force or some bs being connected. Also i think they might just mean piccolo and kami WERE one

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I was thinking here, some profiles are missing scans and evidence of abilities, i think I'll review the entire anime again to give an overview of the profiles with scans of his powers, but that will take a long time.

 

[MichaelCalistro]

Being the "polar opposite" of a universe-sized structure doesn't have implications on the size of Hell/Maikai

Plus, yup, Heaven is a universe-sized place, but it ins't located on separated space-time continuum, it still is inside the Afterlife

What about Hyperbolic Time Chamber and Dimension of Swirling Lights having its own time-space continuums? Wouldn't they be considered a seperate universes as well?

 

[Spinoirr]

Cell vs Silver Wolf (0-0-0)

Speed is equal Super Perfect Cell is being used Fight takes place on Herta Space Station Cell is aware of her aether editing Cell: Silver Wolf: Icon:

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[LuffyRuffy46307]

What about Hyperbolic Time Chamber and Dimension of Swirling Lights having its own time-space continuums? Wouldn't they be considered a seperate universes as well?

The time room is the size of the earth, the size of the swirling lights has no defined size, but the film's rights state that Broly's film is on a universal scale, but that's all there is to it.

I can't wait for a CRT with the size of the swirling lights being 5D.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Also i think they might just mean piccolo and kami WERE one

No, Piccolo and Kami are of one spirit and one body. They were once a single being—the Nameless Namekian.

 

[MichaelCalistro]

The time room is the size of the earth, the size of the swirling lights has no defined size, but the film's rights state that Broly's film is on a universal scale, but that's all there is to it.

I can't wait for a CRT with the size of the swirling lights being 5D.

What about the Heavenly Realm, the Limbo, and the Divine Sage Realm having its own space-time continuums as well?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Has the term "faster than light" (超光速 chō kōsoku) ever been used by official Dragon Ball, ignoring DRAGON BALL LANDMARK?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Has the term "faster than light" (超光速 chō kōsoku) ever been used by official Dragon Ball, ignoring DRAGON BALL LANDMARK?

What saga was that, Null?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

What about the Heavenly Realm, the Limbo, and the Divine Sage Realm having its own space-time continuums as well?

Are you talking about heaven when you say Heavenly Realm? It is the size of the universe, so it is universal in size. Limbo, that dimension of Whis, does not have an exact size. I don't remember that last place in DB (if anyone can refresh my memory, that would be great), but heaven is part of the other world, which is a separate space-time. I don't think we accept heaven as having its own space-time.

 

[Hasty12345]

Has the term "faster than light" (超光速 chō kōsoku) ever been used by official Dragon Ball, ignoring DRAGON BALL LANDMARK?

Not that I can recall, but it's not like its needed.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Not that I can recall, but it's not like its needed.

Do you remember where that comes from?

 

[Hasty12345]

Do you remember where that comes from?

tbh I've never heard of DB Landmark

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

tbh I've never heard of DB Landmark

I've never heard of that either. Null says strange things that I've never seen before. .

 

[RedReaper616]

Has the term "faster than light" (超光速 chō kōsoku) ever been used by official Dragon Ball, ignoring DRAGON BALL LANDMARK?

The only thing I can genuinely think of at this moment is probably Dyspo? But I don’t know if Toppo even uses that exact phrase.

 

[MichaelCalistro]

Are you talking about heaven when you say Heavenly Realm? It is the size of the universe, so it is universal in size. Limbo, that dimension of Whis, does not have an exact size. I don't remember that last place in DB (if anyone can refresh my memory, that would be great), but heaven is part of the other world, which is a separate space-time. I don't think we accept heaven as having its own space-time.

Shinsenkai

The Shinsenkai (神仙界, Shinsen-kai, lit. "Realm of Gods and Sages") is an otherworldly dimension located in the Heavenly Realm. It is a place full of tombstones and constantly shrouded in dark mists, and the realm where the former Guardians of Earth dwell after death. When a Kami goes to this...

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The Lookout

The Lookout (神様の神殿, Kami-sama no Shinden, lit. "God's Temple") is an ancient platform that is in geostationary orbit in the skies of Earth, and directly above Korin Tower in the Dragon Ball series; for some time, Korin Tower and The Lookout were connected by the Power Pole. Events occurring on...

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Limbo

Limbo (煉獄, Rengoku), also known as Purgatory, is a nightmarish dimension located somewhere between the Other World and the physical dimension. Those who die and end up in Limbo are forever trapped and forced to wonder the living world for eternity as bodiless spirits or ghosts unable to be seen...

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[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion, but even the weakest fighters of the Tournament of Power should scale to 2-C (3 Universes) and MFTL+, since the Gods and Angels of each universe witnessed the likes of Buu, Gohan and Goku fighting at the Zeno Expo, so they should have known how strong they were and decided to gather the strongest of their respective universes based on that demonstration in order to at least compete with characters at the level of Buu, Gohan and Goku based on their performance at that time

 

[Damage3245]

I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion, but even the weakest fighters of the Tournament of Power should scale to 2-C (3 Universes) and MFTL+, since the Gods and Angels of each universe witnessed the likes of Buu, Gohan and Goku fighting at the Zeno Expo, so they should have known how strong they were and decided to gather the strongest of their respective universes based on that demonstration in order to at least compete with characters at the level of Buu, Gohan and Goku based on their performance at that time

Is that explicitly stated? That each God and Angel decided to recruit only canditates that are exclusively as strong as Buu, Gohan and Goku?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Shinsenkai

The Shinsenkai (神仙界, Shinsen-kai, lit. "Realm of Gods and Sages") is an otherworldly dimension located in the Heavenly Realm. It is a place full of tombstones and constantly shrouded in dark mists, and the realm where the former Guardians of Earth dwell after death. When a Kami goes to this...

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The Lookout

The Lookout (神様の神殿, Kami-sama no Shinden, lit. "God's Temple") is an ancient platform that is in geostationary orbit in the skies of Earth, and directly above Korin Tower in the Dragon Ball series; for some time, Korin Tower and The Lookout were connected by the Power Pole. Events occurring on...

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Limbo

Limbo (煉獄, Rengoku), also known as Purgatory, is a nightmarish dimension located somewhere between the Other World and the physical dimension. Those who die and end up in Limbo are forever trapped and forced to wonder the living world for eternity as bodiless spirits or ghosts unable to be seen...

dragonball.fandom.com

That dimension you mentioned must be 4-B because it has stars, although i don't remember much, i watched DBZ many years ago.

 

[StekFence]

decided to gather the strongest of their respective universes based on that demonstration

I mean, kinda? They don’t really have a choice if they want to live but to gather the strongest, no matter how weak or strong they are in comparison to those three. Since I don’t believe it’s like they wanted a ToP

 

[Nullflowerblush]

What saga was that, Null?

"What saga"? It's a book. You have Google. Or Bing.

The only thing I can genuinely think of at this moment is probably Dyspo? But I don’t know if Toppo even uses that exact phrase.

Toppo says Dyspo has "surpassed the speed of sound and even the speed of light" (音速を超え光速をも超えた onsoku o koe kōsoku o mo koeta).
Episode 104's title uses the term "super-lightspeed" (超絶光速 chōzetsu kōsoku), which gives me another term to look out for, I suppose.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

What about the Heavenly Realm, the Limbo, and the Divine Sage Realm having its own space-time continuums as well?

Limbo isn't a real place. Limbo isn't even referenced by the Daizenshuu. When you are killed by a demon, your soul simply drifts through 3D space.

What ability would the Nyoibo even get for, apparently, linking the dimensions of Earth and the Heavenly Realm through Korin Tower?

 

[RedReaper616]

Toppo says Dyspo has "surpassed the speed of sound and even the speed of light" (音速を超え光速をも超えた onsoku o koe kōsoku o mo koeta).
Episode 104's title uses the term "super-lightspeed" (超絶光速 chōzetsu kōsoku), which gives me another term to look out for, I suppose.

Yeah, I figured he didn’t use the exact phrase, because otherwise you’d be all over it. But that’s the only time across all the Dragon Ball media that I’ve consumed that (as far as I’ve remembered) any form of “faster than light” has ever been placed into the material.

 

[RedReaper616]

Limbo isn't a real place. Limbo isn't even referenced by the Daizenshuu. When you are killed by a demon, your soul simply drifts through 3D space.

Surprisingly, this is later referenced with Yamoshi/The first SSJ Legend after Toriyama retconned and re-explained it. The first SSJ’s Soul was drifting in space after being slain by the Evil Saiyans of the past, or—Likely, the Demonic Saiyans. It’s not very relevant, I just thought it neat.

What ability would the Nyoibo even get for, apparently, linking the dimensions of Earth and the Heavenly Realm through Korin Tower?

Uh, NPI probably? It links the Tower and Temple just by connecting them physically without a Demonstrated extraneous hax ability, implying it just acts as a literal, physical, link between them from across dimensions.

 

[Vietthai96]

What ability would the Nyoibo even get for, apparently, linking the dimensions of Earth and the Heavenly Realm through Korin Tower?

Spatial hax and also Spatial NPI

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Oh, also,

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

"What saga"? It's a book. You have Google. Or Bing.

Toppo says Dyspo has "surpassed the speed of sound and even the speed of light" (音速を超え光速をも超えた onsoku o koe kōsoku o mo koeta).
Episode 104's title uses the term "super-lightspeed" (超絶光速 chōzetsu kōsoku), which gives me another term to look out for, I suppose.

I had never seen this guide before, so was it about Dyspo the whole time?

 

[UnoRebaixadO]

I had never seen this guide before, so was it about Dyspo the whole time?

probably yes

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I hope Dragon Ball Daima gets a sequel and that this sequel continues the events of the Moro arc

 

[UnoRebaixadO]

I hope Dragon Ball Daima gets a sequel and that this sequel continues the events of the Moro arc

I think it's difficult, since they would have divine transformations and the super saiyan 4, which is the great star of daima, would be overshadowed

or.... they could say that Makai's evil nature can negate divine ki, which would be interesting

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Is that news legit? Regardless I'll reserve any potential hype until I see a trailer.

 

[UnoRebaixadO]

I know there were some alleged leaks a few months ago, but I don't know if I should believe them.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Is that news legit? Regardless I'll reserve any potential hype until I see a trailer.

In the comments, people are saying that yes, he leaked some things from DB, but it's just a rumor.

I know there were some alleged leaks a few months ago, but I don't know if I should believe them.

I hope it's true, I'm dying to see more Dragon Ball.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Old Kai didn't appear in Dragon Ball Daima. Could it be that he's from another universe that was erased or something? Or maybe from an alternate timeline of Universe 7, because when the Kaioshins were sent to the Universes, Old Kai wasn't there.

Old Kai

Directory: Characters → Deities → Supreme Kai Old Kai (老ろう界かい王おう神しん, Rō Kaiōshin, lit. "Old God of the Kings of Worlds") is a Potara fusion between the Old Witch and the Supreme Kai of the fifteenth generation, though he is usually just referred to as Elder Kai, or Great Kaioshin...

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[UnoRebaixadO]

Old Kai didn't appear in Dragon Ball Daima. Could it be that he's from another universe that was erased or something? Or maybe from an alternate timeline of Universe 7, because when the Kaioshins were sent to the Universes, Old Kai wasn't there.

Old Kai

Directory: Characters → Deities → Supreme Kai Old Kai (老ろう界かい王おう神しん, Rō Kaiōshin, lit. "Old God of the Kings of Worlds") is a Potara fusion between the Old Witch and the Supreme Kai of the fifteenth generation, though he is usually just referred to as Elder Kai, or Great Kaioshin...

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as far as I know he is a fusion, maybe he showed it before merging with the witch

 

[KaramcaS]

If Piccolo and Kami share one soul, why do they possess separate bodies and Ki?

Because they separated their "physical" bodies. Because Ki is everything and Everything has Ki.

Cell was created through gene and cell recombination (biotechnology) and has an individual soul. Why does he possess the Ki of his genetic constituents?

Ki is connected to Consciousness and Consciousness is in DNA.

How can Ki be transferred and absorbed without transferring one's soul—and, thus, their consciousness?

Soul and Consciousness are only a part of Ki, not the whole of it.

Goku and Future Trunks are separate beings with separate souls. Why, then, did Trunks possess "the same [Ki] as [Goku]" as a Super Saiyan?

Super Saiyans buffed with S-Cells probably have a distinct feeling, and they're talking about that there as well. It's perfectly normal for people who can sense anything with Ki to feel Super Saiyans distinctly.

Why is the emotion of evil capable of producing evil Ki, which feels distinct from normal Ki?

I didnt understand this

Why couldn't Goku sense Spopovich's Ki if he was only undead, not soulless?

Like in the panel says; "what could that mean?" "I have no idea"

Do planets and stars have souls? They possess Ki.

Ki is not just a soulish thing, its a fundamental concept of everything, even space and time possess Ki.

Why are mortals even capable of developing God Ki and the Ki of the Gods of Destruction if they do not possess godly souls?

Goku knows how God Ki feels

Why couldn't Goku recognize Kami's Ki after he possessed Shen's body

He didnt mastered that much yet

or Piccolo's Ki after he merged with Nail?

Different Soul added to Piccolo

Why couldn't Krillin recognize Goku's Ki after he returned from the Medical Machine?

Because he got stronger

Why couldn't Vegeta recognize Goku and Gohan's Ki after they returned from the Room of Spirit and Time

Because until that time, Super Saiyan relase an rageish energy, but that time MSSJ has no Rage

or Gohan's Ki after his training with Piccolo in preparation for the Tournament of Power

He got stronger

Why couldn't Gohan recognize Goku's Ki after he became a Super Saiyan 3 against Majin Buu

He got stronger

Why couldn't Piccolo recognize Gohan's Ki after his potential was fully unleashed by the Elder Kai?

Each transformation has its own "feeling" Ki. They are not "cant sense" stronger Ki they just cant recognize

 

[KaramcaS]

Old Kai didn't appear in Dragon Ball Daima. Could it be that he's from another universe that was erased or something? Or maybe from an alternate timeline of Universe 7, because when the Kaioshins were sent to the Universes, Old Kai wasn't there.

Its just a showcase, not a real moment