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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

Okay, there's a feat for DBE Mai that was definitely overlooked

Mai made a hole inside the Capsule Corp building. I think we can actually scale this to her physicals because there's no sign that she used her guns to take out the guards, just a jetpack. Also, fun fact, the novelizations specify that the gun she knocked out Goku with later in the film was an alien gun...Resurrection F type **** 😭

Goku (prior to the Oozaru and Post-Oozaru) completely no-sells Mai's kick, so that would be scalable. Again though, the baby meteor feat would be worth a calc as well as I'm sure it's higher. Still, wouldn't hurt for both to get looked at
 
KaramcaS said:
Why Gogeta SS4 doesnt have Positive Energy section ?

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Ki Manipulation (Dragon Ball)

Ki (気き?, lit. "Air, Breath"), also known as Chi/Qi, Yoki (妖よう気き, Yōki?, lit. "Bewitching energy") or simply Energy (エネルギー, Enerugī?) is the secret energy that lies hidden inside the bodies of humans. By utilizing materialized energy converted from energy inside one's body, one can produce...
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the image is literally Gogeta and panels shows that he uses it

So Why??
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Aren't no way you all are lazier than me 🗿
 
Depending on how things go, DBE Goku might warrant an extra key. Roshi says the only way he can train him what he knows is if he gets stronger, which leads to the group going on their quest while Goku carries the large weight of their supplies over the course of their journey while also getting some one-on-one lessons with Roshi. Maybe something like this:

Key: Pre-Roshi Training | Post-Roshi Training | Oozaru | Fully Synced

Calling the Pre-Oozaru stuff Goku's "base" isn't quite accurate anymore since the Fully Synced state of Goku basically is his base at the end of the film

Alternatively, I could just put the stuff prior to the Oozaru transformation in a key called "Pre-Eclipse". I might at least do that for the tabbers, but stats could be a different story. Depends on what fits better with new stats
 
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Shouldn't Ki Manipulation's Soul Destruction Note include not only that just characters above a certain level can resist Hakai, but also that it doesn't apply to continuities like Toei? For clarification to those that don't know much about Dragon Ball.

Also, I noticed that, for some reason, NPI from Ki Manip and Time Power include Invisibility as an aspect
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
Shouldn't Ki Manipulation's Soul Destruction Note include not only that just characters above a certain level can resist Hakai, but also that it doesn't apply to continuities like Toei? For clarification to those that don't know much about Dragon Ball.

Also, I noticed that, for some reason, NPI from Ki Manip and Time Power include Invisibility as an aspect
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Can block Hit ki blast which is invisible and intangible, well, just, it came in clutch
 
Question.

I'm working on a new DB GT scaling chain..
So, before posting a CRT (knowing most of them have been fiascos so far) XD XD. I decided to ask your opinion before anything. We know that Goku and Uub went a long training till the very start of GT to make Uub control his hidden power. The Chozenshu, and even in the show, it's stated that "Uub finally graudated from the training", meaning he fuññy unlocked his power, and we see Base Goku and him fighting alongside. So Base GT Goku and Uub are Kid buu level bare minimum, or a bit higher. Kid buu is the strongest Buu in the Toei continuity, and even the GT perfect files claims so. In the Anime Base Vegito and Buuhan are evenly matched. Now, it's stated in the GT Perfect files and the show, that the only way for Goku to defeat Baby was to unlock a new power (SSJ4).

Even in the Perfect files, Staff came to the conclusion that SSJ4 was the only way to defeat Baby.

So, if we are being realistic, we should put Super Baby 3 above a hypothetical Gokuub fusion, becouse yeah, the Elder Kai stated the only way to beat Baby was unlocking Goku's power, when Goku was in a hurry to arrive Earth.

Elder Kai was the one to propose the Potara fusion to Goku, if there were other options, why wouldn't he just propose the easiest one? (fusing).

Also, the fact that the Staff from DBGT "came to a conclusion", meaning they explored all possible scenarios before giving Goku SSJ4. And they were the ones that wrote the script of Elder Kai proposing unlocking his power in GT, Goku was in a hurry and still Staff could've given goku the pothala, but didn't.

So, in short Super baby one is stronger than a hypothetical combination of two beings stronger than base Vegito, comparable to Kid buu.

And adding up SSJ 3 Gokuub, the results are massive.
 
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Pretty sure they didn't have any potaras in GT, no? And don't think they were even aware Uub wasn't infected either.
 
Ruphas_Mafahl123 said:
Question.

I'm working on a new DB GT scaling chain..
So, before posting a CRT (knowing most of them have been fiascos so far) XD XD. I decided to ask your opinion before anything. We know that Goku and Uub went a long training till the very start of GT to make Uub control his hidden power. The Chozenshu, and even in the show, it's stated that "Uub finally graudated from the training", meaning he fuññy unlocked his power, and we see Base Goku and him fighting alongside. So Base GT Goku and Uub are Kid buu level bare minimum, or a bit higher. Kid buu is the strongest Buu in the Toei continuity, and even the GT perfect files claims so. In the Anime Base Vegito and Buuhan are evenly matched. Now, it's stated in the GT Perfect files and the show, that the only way for Goku to defeat Baby was to unlock a new power (SSJ4).

Even in the Perfect files, Staff came to the conclusion that SSJ4 was the only way to defeat Baby.

So, if we are being realistic, we should put Super Baby 3 above a hypothetical Gokuub fusion, becouse yeah, the Elder Kai stated the only way to beat Baby was unlocking Goku's power, when Goku was in a hurry to arrive Earth.

Elder Kai was the one to propose the Potara fusion to Goku, if there were other options, why wouldn't he just propose the easiest one? (fusing).

Also, the fact that the Staff from DBGT "came to a conclusion", meaning they explored all possible scenarios before giving Goku SSJ4. And they were the ones that wrote the script of Elder Kai proposing unlocking his power in GT, Goku was in a hurry and still Staff could've given goku the pothala, but didn't.

So, in short Super baby one is stronger than a hypothetical combination of two beings stronger than base Vegito, comparable to Kid buu.

And adding up SSJ 3 Gokuub, the results are massive.
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While it is correct that Fusion definitely wouldn't be strong enough, nobody knew Uub was still around until he briefly re-appeared on Planet Tuffle, where he was promptly eaten. What we do have, for sure, is that SSJ3 Gotenks is beneath SSJ4 Goku. So far beneath Goku that they wouldn't stand "a silver of a chance" against Golden Oozaru Baby. For reference, Goten's body was considered an upgrade from Baby's ordinary state in Episode 23-26. Trunks was also considered superior to infant Baby on Plant Pital. And Infant Baby had the power of Meta Rildo, who was roughly Episode 18 SSJ Goku level.

Taking into account that Goten and Trunks are roughly considered equals, this implies SSJ3 Gotenks, who would be OVER 100,000,000x*1 stronger than Episode 18 Base Goku, is stomped by Baby. Also consider that by the fight against Baby on Earth, Goku is only like, at max, 2500*2 times stronger than his Episode 18 Self.

Divide those numbers and you get the hypothetical Gotenks still roughly over 40K stronger than E29 Goku. Which fits the fact they would've had no chance against Golden Oozaru Baby, who was stomping SSJ3 E29 Goku as just SSJ, and stacked his own SSJ3 multiplier on top, and then stacked Golden Oozaru, which took Goku to SB2 Level (meaning another 3200x jump). With all of that accounted for, Baby was still nearly a SSJ3 jump ahead, (512x stronger.)

*1: The amp given by Base Gotenks in the Buu Saga relative to his Fusees, combined with multipliers and the scaling Goten and Trunks have. So 5000 (Fusion Base for Gotenks) x 400 (SSJ3), or 2 million, times 50x because that's SSJ E18 Goku, not BASE E18 Goku, making 100 million.

*2: E29 Base Goku > E28-29 SSJ Baby Gohan (by 50x) > E26 Suppressed Base Gohan >~ E26 SSJ Baby Goten ~ E23 Base Goku > E23-27 Base Goten/Base Trunks >~ E25-26 Baby >~ SSJ Goku/Meta Rildo in E18 (by 50x) > Base E18 Goku. In other words, two 50x jumps, becoming stronger than those superior to his SSJ self against Rildo, (Goten and Trunks) and stronger than someone 50x that (SSJ Gohan). It should be noted that Baby modifies powers and amplifies them when he takes you as a host, but there's no way to quantify that outside of Baby Vegeta himself, because we can actually compare him to Vegeta, so everyone's likely somewhat higher in the chain. Especially with wiggle room like the fact Gohan was holding back significantly against SSJ Baby Goten.

Point being, we have a pretty solid Fusion chain/piece of evidence, and it doesn't rely on Uub, because why would it rely on Uub? Nobody knew he was there. Additionally, Uub in E1 and Uub when he fights Baby, even without Majuub, are two TOTALLY DIFFERENT levels of power. Uub is equal to E1 Goku, but Goku gets substantially stronger throughout the series. Functionally speaking, even if they WERE talking about Uub, the Uub in their minds would be so far beneath the Saiya Power Scaling Chain created by the Baby Saga you'd net significantly lower than this.
 
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RedReaper616 said:
While it is correct that Fusion definitely wouldn't be strong enough, nobody knew Uub was still around until he briefly re-appeared on Planet Tuffle, where he was promptly eaten. What we do have, for sure, is that SSJ3 Gotenks is beneath SSJ4 Goku. So far beneath Goku that they wouldn't stand "a silver of a chance" against Golden Oozaru Baby. For reference, Goten's body was considered an upgrade from Baby's ordinary state in Episode 23-26. Trunks was also considered superior to infant Baby on Plant Pital. And Infant Baby had the power of Meta Rildo, who was roughly Episode 18 SSJ Goku level.
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But on a narrative level, the staff were aware of Uub's existance, so the characters.
Goku could've just aim to search for Uub and fuse with him, Kais have Kai kai, which is much more effective than Goku's instant transmission, not requiring to lock on someone's ki.

That's whay I argue that, not even the Elder Kai proposed Goku to fuse with the strongest fighter alive that he could've find, and Goku would obviously think of Uub.

Also. I'm talking about Super baby 3, not his ape form, which would make the scaling chain even more absurd. And I'm talking about Pre-majuub uub.

RedReaper616 said:
Episode 18 Base Goku, is stomped by Baby. Also consider that by the fight against Baby on Earth, Goku is only like, at max, 2500*2 times stronger than his Episode 18 Self.

Divide those numbers and you get the hypothetical Gotenks still roughly over 40K stronger than E29 Goku. Which fits the fact they would've had no chance against Golden Oozaru Baby, who was stomping SSJ3 E29 Goku as just SSJ, and stacked his own SSJ3 multiplier on top, and then stacked Golden Oozaru, which took Goku to SB2 Level (meaning another 3200x jump). With all of that accounted for, Baby was still nearly a SSJ3 jump ahead, (512x stronger.)

*1: The amp given by Base Gotenks in the Buu Saga relative to his Fusees, combined with multipliers and the scaling Goten and Trunks have. So 5000 (Fusion Base for Gotenks) x 400 (SSJ3), or 2 million, times 50x because that's SSJ E18 Goku, not BASE E18 Goku, making 100 million.

*2: E29 Base Goku > E28-29 SSJ Baby Gohan (by 50x) > E26 Suppressed Base Gohan >~ E26 SSJ Baby Goten ~ E23 Base Goku > E23-27 Base Goten/Base Trunks >~ E25-26 Baby >~ SSJ Goku/Meta Rildo in E18 (by 50x) > Base E18 Goku. In other words, two 50x jumps, becoming stronger than those superior to his SSJ self against Rildo, (Goten and Trunks) and stronger than someone 50x that (SSJ Gohan). It should be noted that Baby modifies powers and amplifies them when he takes you as a host, but there's no way to quantify that outside of Baby Vegeta himself, because we can actually compare him to Vegeta, so everyone's likely somewhat higher in the chain. Especially with wiggle room like the fact Gohan was holding back significantly against SSJ Baby Goten.
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I agree with this, the amp is still massive. I have to concede here, a hypothetical GT Goten in SSJ3 would be much stronger than a Gokuub (which fuses with pre-majuub uub).
 
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Ruphas_Mafahl123 said:
But on a narrative level, the staff were aware of Uub's existance, so the characters.
Goku could've just aim to search for Uub and fuse with him, Kais have Kai kai, which is much more effective than Goku's instant transmission, not requiring to lock on someone's ki.
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No, nobody knew. When he re-appears and challenges Baby, everyone reacts in surprise, and he explains that he and his family survived by hiding in the Mountains, where he had been training to increase his power.

E32 Uub >>> E1 Uub.
Ruphas_Mafahl123 said:
Also. I'm talking about Super baby 3, not his ape form, which would make the scaling chain even more absurd. And I'm talking about Pre-majuub uub.
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I know. Pre-Majuub E32 Uub is SIGNIFICANTLY more powerful than the Uub Goku would think of, which is E1. Hence why I said, even if it WAS true and they DID know and consider that, Goku would only think of E1 Uub, not E32 Uub, who scales vastly higher than his first episode self.
Ruphas_Mafahl123 said:
I agree with this, the amp is still massive. I have to concede here, a hypothetical GT Goten in SSJ3 would be much stronger than a Gokuub (which fuses with pre-majuub uub).
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Yeah, it's a moot point because of GT SSJ3 Gotenks, but still.
 
RedReaper616 said:
While it is correct that Fusion definitely wouldn't be strong enough, nobody knew Uub was still around until he briefly re-appeared on Planet Tuffle, where he was promptly eaten. What we do have, for sure, is that SSJ3 Gotenks is beneath SSJ4 Goku. So far beneath Goku that they wouldn't stand "a silver of a chance" against Golden Oozaru Baby. For reference, Goten's body was considered an upgrade from Baby's ordinary state in Episode 23-26. Trunks was also considered superior to infant Baby on Plant Pital. And Infant Baby had the power of Meta Rildo, who was roughly Episode 18 SSJ Goku level.

Taking into account that Goten and Trunks are roughly considered equals, this implies SSJ3 Gotenks, who would be OVER 100,000,000x*1 stronger than Episode 18 Base Goku, is stomped by Baby. Also consider that by the fight against Baby on Earth, Goku is only like, at max, 2500*2 times stronger than his Episode 18 Self.

Divide those numbers and you get the hypothetical Gotenks still roughly over 40K stronger than E29 Goku. Which fits the fact they would've had no chance against Golden Oozaru Baby, who was stomping SSJ3 E29 Goku as just SSJ, and stacked his own SSJ3 multiplier on top, and then stacked Golden Oozaru, which took Goku to SB2 Level (meaning another 3200x jump). With all of that accounted for, Baby was still nearly a SSJ3 jump ahead, (512x stronger.)

*1: The amp given by Base Gotenks in the Buu Saga relative to his Fusees, combined with multipliers and the scaling Goten and Trunks have. So 5000 (Fusion Base for Gotenks) x 400 (SSJ3), or 2 million, times 50x because that's SSJ E18 Goku, not BASE E18 Goku, making 100 million.

*2: E29 Base Goku > E28-29 SSJ Baby Gohan (by 50x) > E26 Suppressed Base Gohan >~ E26 SSJ Baby Goten ~ E23 Base Goku > E23-27 Base Goten/Base Trunks >~ E25-26 Baby >~ SSJ Goku/Meta Rildo in E18 (by 50x) > Base E18 Goku. In other words, two 50x jumps, becoming stronger than those superior to his SSJ self against Rildo, (Goten and Trunks) and stronger than someone 50x that (SSJ Gohan). It should be noted that Baby modifies powers and amplifies them when he takes you as a host, but there's no way to quantify that outside of Baby Vegeta himself, because we can actually compare him to Vegeta, so everyone's likely somewhat higher in the chain. Especially with wiggle room like the fact Gohan was holding back significantly against SSJ Baby Goten.

Point being, we have a pretty solid Fusion chain/piece of evidence, and it doesn't rely on Uub, because why would it rely on Uub? Nobody knew he was there. Additionally, Uub in E1 and Uub when he fights Baby, even without Majuub, are two TOTALLY DIFFERENT levels of power. Uub is equal to E1 Goku, but Goku gets substantially stronger throughout the series. Functionally speaking, even if they WERE talking about Uub, the Uub in their minds would be so far beneath the Saiya Power Scaling Chain created by the Baby Saga you'd net significantly lower than this.
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The fact Goku spent 10 years waiting for Uub to pop up, trained him for 5 years because he wanted to fight him at max power was early as possible, only to then surpass him so much he might as well not be in the same universe as him is hilarious as ****.
 
BlastX said:
The fact Goku spent 10 years waiting for Uub to pop up, trained him for 5 years because he wanted to fight him at max power was early as possible, only to then surpass him so much he might as well not be in the same universe as him is hilarious as ****.
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(Meanwhile Canon end of z Uub that fought in the tournament will be giving base Goku a fight and said Base Goku could oneshot Jiren from the TOP)
 
BlastX said:
The fact Goku spent 10 years waiting for Uub to pop up, trained him for 5 years because he wanted to fight him at max power was early as possible, only to then surpass him so much he might as well not be in the same universe as him is hilarious as ****.
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The consequence of Goku Time.

But also, hilariously, despite immensely outgunning Uub almost immediately, in E32 Uub becomes vastly stronger than Goku (nebulously so. Higher than SSJ3 Goku, lower than Super Baby 2), gets an amp to become Majuub, allowing him to fight relative (but still vastly below) SB2's level. SSJ3 Goku gets stomped by SB2 and only exceeds Majuub via Golden Oozaru and SSJ4, where he only finally becomes stronger than Majuub without those due to doing better than him against Super 17/a small timeskip.

I think he might be the fourth strongest GT Z-Fighter. SSJ4 Gogeta, SSJ4 Goku, and SSJ4 Vegeta, then ordinary Goku (and Vegeta maybe?) scale a bit higher than him, and then it's Majuub. So he ends the series in not too bad a spot compared to Goku. Well, except Pre-100 Year Timeskip Goku.
 
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I finished drawing Grand Priest CC Goku. Here it is
 
Nullflowerblush said:
El Manga Legendario suggests Cell's Form Change is derived from Frieza's Transforming Ability.
Uhhhhhhhh, baseline 4x multiplier, methinks.
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Dayum..

Ngl Null, you are like the Scan maker of the DB community in this site.

Altho, one thing that surprises me about you, is that you are the first Slavic/Russian person I know, with some level or prophicency in Japanese

That's a rarity.
 
Ruphas_Mafahl123 said:
Ah I see, I just said that becouse in the Mega files (the one that contained most DB guides, etc) you had some files written in cyrilic..
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Oooh, those I had been sourcing from Dragon Ball: Official Materials Archive, a VK user page; they're the Russian one.
The only Dragon Ball material I own are LANDMARK and FOREVER, and my scanning is like child's play compared to theirs.
 
Ruphas_Mafahl123 said:
Ah I see, I just said that becouse in the Mega files (the one that contained most DB guides, etc) you had some files written in cyrilic..

Tho i'm a bit surprised to see how many African Americans are into Anime..
Black people entered hard into the anime territory this decade.
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Facts, lol.

I'm also African American. My dad (who's black) tried getting me into Naruto at the age of 3, but I wanted to watch Dora the Explorer instead (I KNOW, L CHOICE). But once I hit 7, I started off with Dragon Ball thanks to him (and Naruto once I hit 11).

The memories of playing Budokai Tenkaichi 3 with him on Saturday mornings will NEVER leave.
 
Y'know, I just thought about it; as far as I know, Super Saiyan 2 strictly being a 100x multiplier is never actually officially stated. We, as a fandom, have extrapolated it from various sources stating Super Saiyan 2 is twice as powerful as Super Saiyan, but we've always assumed it to mean twice as powerful as the baseline 50x multiplier. Third Grade Super Saiyan can still be 10x the original Super Saiyan form, and Super Saiyan 2 can still surpass Super Saiyan "in every aspect" by 2x, making it a 1,000x multiplier. Nothing actually explicitly contradicts this.
 
Naeem0304 said:
Facts, lol.

I'm also African American. My dad (who's black) tried getting me into Naruto at the age of 3, but I wanted to watch Dora the Explorer instead (I KNOW, L CHOICE). But once I hit 7, I started off with Dragon Ball thanks to him (and Naruto once I hit 11).

The memories of playing Budokai Tenkaichi 3 with him on Saturday mornings will NEVER leave.
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And that's a good thing.


Tbh, it breaks the silly stereotype of: "Muh, AnImE Is OnLy a WhItE-AsIaN ThInG".

Tbh, prior of entering power scaling, I thought most English speaking DB debaters were grown ass racist White American dudes.
 
Ruphas_Mafahl123 said:
And that's a good thing.


Tbh, it breaks the silly stereotype of: "Muh, AnImE Is OnLy a WhItE-AsIaN ThInG".

Tbh, prior of entering power scaling, I thought most English speaking DB debeaters were grown ass racist White American dudes.
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Never really cared about race bro is a bro.
Unless he likes Naruto, then I am selling his organs to human traffickers. Sorry, no cringe allowed.
 
LegendariumOfLies said:
Never really cared about race bro is a bro.
Unless he likes Naruto, then I am selling his organs to human traffickers. Sorry, no cringe allowed.
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I agree, I detest countless of episodies with nonesensical filler, and fights that are more like flashback traumas than to actual combat.....
 
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