Ruphas_Mafahl123
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Question.
Toeiverse scales to 3 Universes while Super/DBZ Kai scales to 6, right?
Toeiverse scales to 3 Universes while Super/DBZ Kai scales to 6, right?
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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread
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StarShooter80
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Only characters that scale to/above UI Sign 1 Goku are 6 Universes, all other 2-C characters before that are 3 Universes
But there is another thread upgrading Blue Vegito to 6 Universes which I agree
Nullflowerblush
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Does anybody have any good ideas on how to format an Androids physiology page?
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I’d first ask why we need one. They really only have like three features per type, really. There’s not really enough material to warrant a whole page. And the numbers in those categories (as in, Android profiles for the page to be used on) are really small, too, so there’s not much use to be made out of it.
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Nullflowerblush
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Because they possess numerous general abilities and numerous type and model-specific abilities that can be categorized and streamlined, and putting them all into a single page would allow for more efficient revisions and reevaluation???
Eden_Warlock99
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What general abilities? Not all of them even have Inorganic Physiology lol
And this is more a general problem of Physiology pages in general, but still.
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All Androids except Bio: Lack Ki Signature
Infinite Energy Types (The Number of which is like, 3-4? Android 17, Android 18, Hellfighter 17, and Android 16{?)): Longevity, Endless Energy. For 16 specifically, Inorganic Physiology. Nothing else.
Energy Absorption Type (20 and Android 19): Longevity, Energy Absorption, inorganic physiology. Literally nothing else
Battery Type (Gammas): Maintains Peak Energy Performance until their battery, which is finite, runs out. Nothing else.
Bio (literally just Cell): Literally nothing uniform because it depends on the genetic signatures utilized.
Neo Machine Mutant-Ultimate Android (Just Super 17): Just a combo of Infinite Energy and Energy Absorption Type. Also has Hypnosis and Atmospheric Sense. And that’s all debatable because only 1 exists, so trying to say they’re uniform features is questionable.
Like, the number of people this is going to be used on and the features offered aren’t numerous. They’re quite basic and don’t require more than a few lines.
Compare that to say, the Devil May Cry Demon Physiology Page or the God of War Divinity Page, which has a plethora of different things to note at varying levels that literally necessitates having a page to reduce redundancy and page bloat.
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Cell (Manga and Toei) Additions
Okay so the whole idea here is that I want to add the super buff Super Saiyan Grade 3-esque power up to Perfect Cell's Key, on both his Manga and Anime versions since they both do it. Also Cell in all his Keys needs the Special Beam Cannon added to his AP ratings since that move arguably has a...
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StarShooter80
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DBZ Toei: MFTL+ Upgrade & Updated Speed Scaling (NEED ONE MORE STAFF VOTE)
Feat It's accepted that Goku's space-ship to Namek is 152.07 million c, and that due to perception blitzing King Kai who can track his ship, SSJ Frieza Saga Goku should scale to this. However, I propose he should scale to the speed much earlier. While on top of the ship, Goku is able to react...
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Allegedly, in Lord Slug, King Kai says Super Namekians are "hundredfold superior" to normal Namekians. I wonder if we could theoretically apply that to Piccolo.
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Does that statement apply along with Namekians having "above average powerlevels" in the early Namek saga?
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I mean, I'm pretty sure it'd only apply to Android Saga Piccolo, who by then is like, already 100x superior to normal Namekians? He's = to Present 17, who is stronger than Future 17, but let's assume they're the same. Future 17 is roughly 2x Future Gohan (or rather, he had never gone above 50% when he fought Future Gohan). Trunks was considered = to Future Gohan went he went to the past, where he dusted Mecha Frieza (vaguely stronger than 100% Frieza). Mecha Frieza thought he was stronger than Namek SSJ Goku, Namek SSJ Goku is 50x Base Namek End Goku, who at a power level of 3 Million exceeded all Namekians. Including Nail-Fused Piccolo.
And considering that's a Toei Statement, and would probably apply to Toei Piccolo, a lowball when other statements are considered--Like how Frieza used a 10x Greater power than he did on Namek according to the cast when he created his Supernova, or how Post-Zenkai Goku is considered > Garlic Jr. Saga characters, who got stronger from the Namek Saga (and Mecha Frieza was considered stronger than that), and so on.
Unless you mean directly multiplying Android Saga Piccolo by 100x, but I don't know if such a statement would allow that.
And considering that's a Toei Statement, and would probably apply to Toei Piccolo, a lowball when other statements are considered--Like how Frieza used a 10x Greater power than he did on Namek according to the cast when he created his Supernova, or how Post-Zenkai Goku is considered > Garlic Jr. Saga characters, who got stronger from the Namek Saga (and Mecha Frieza was considered stronger than that), and so on.
Unless you mean directly multiplying Android Saga Piccolo by 100x, but I don't know if such a statement would allow that.
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Stronger than base Goten and Trunks Ig
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I believe it was implied by El Manga Legendario he was weaker than Grade 4 SSJ Goku from the Cell Saga? Which is somewhat backed up by Dabura catching him totally off guard, given Dabura is Perfect Cell to Super Perfect Cell level. What we know for sure is that he's stronger than Post HTC-Training Goten and Trunks, because when Buu de-volves from Gotenks he becomes Piccolo rather than Goten or Trunks (because Piccolo's the strongest).
Ruphas_Mafahl123
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Toei Piccolo you mean, I guess.
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Android Saga Piccolo is a normal Namekian, and then he fuses with Kami and becomes a Super Namekian. Super Namekians are "hundredfold superior" to normal Namekians; therefore, Kamiccolo is a hundred-times more powerful than Android Saga Piccolo.
Nullflowerblush
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Also, the original Nameless Namekian (i.e., before Piccolo, a Warrior-type, and Kami trained individually and acquired their then-current levels of power), a Dragon Clansman, was described by both Nail and Guru as being (1) capable of defeating at least First Form Frieza and (2) on par with a Super Saiyan in Battle Power, and he is not a Super Namekian, much like Piccolo by the time of the Android Saga—even though he himself was already superior to Frieza's Final Form.
Eden_Warlock99
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Doesn't a hundred seem like too big of a jump there?
Android Saga Piccolo was already sorta in the SSJ realm of power, and SSJ Vegeta and 18 were pretty much evenly matched before his stamina started to wane, no?
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I thought I was pretty clear in that I was referencing a post-Fusion Piccolo.
Like so.
Wasn't the Nameless Namekian a Super Namekian to begin with?
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As per El Manga Legendario, Piccolo is "impressive", and Android 20 confirms he is "the next strongest after Vegeta", but the narrative quickly and definitively establishes Piccolo is nowhere near the level of a Super Saiyan and is even more vastly inferior to the likes of the Androids; in fact, Android 20 deduced that he could only battle Super Saiyan Vegeta by absorbing the combined powers of Piccolo, Gohan, Tien, and Krillin. He is even more significantly inferior to Android 17, who is confident he can defeat the combined forces of Trunks, Piccolo, Krillin, and Tien, than he is to Android 18; and he later rivals 17 after fusing with Kami.
No. Holding back their powers, Android 18 and Vegeta exchanged blows equally, even forcing Vegeta to evade with her strikes; and after revealing her full strength, she quickly floored Vegeta, easily deflecting his flurry of strikes, and eventually disabled him before knocking out Trunks and then completely incapacitating Vegeta.
From the very beginning, she held the overwhelming advantage over Vegeta, which is further evidenced by the fact Trunks, who is only slightly inferior to and "not so different" from Vegeta, was powerless against the Future Androids, who are inferior to their present counterparts.
The Dragon Ball Wiki claims he is, but nowhere is the Nameless Namekian ever stated to be a Super Namekian. In fact, Krillin suggests Piccolo and Kami's fusion only birthed a Super Namekian because of how much more powerful Piccolo had grown since he and Kami originally split, and both Daizenshuu 7's Character Dictionary and Kakarot's Z-Encyclopedia confirm Piccolo's fusion with Nail as a major contributor to Piccolo's Super Namekian status.
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Huh. Good to know.
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Cell's Absorption is described as similar to the kleptoplastic functions of sea slugs, which involves the slug partially digesting algae and then isolating and maintaining their chloroplasts, thus allowing the sea slug to temporarily perform photosynthesis; and is directly compared to that of the Farapriacanthus ransonneti, who achieve bioluminescence by stealing and absorbing the light-emitting proteins from sea fireflies.
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That's an awfully detailed and well thought out method of absorption. Though yikes, both 17 and 18 must definitely be getting life long trauma therapy tho.
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Only stronger than their Base Forms, Buu needs to absorb people in their transformed states to get said power, he said so himself.
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18 got Krillin and 17 got his animals. They're fine.
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He only says he needed Gotenks himself to appear and that he wished to catch him early, due to not wanting to shift back. Nothing on needing “transformed” states. Unless you mean needing them to be Gotenks himself…which doesn’t imply that at all.
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Well, there is also a statement here that Piccolo makes, though it may be more out there.
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1-C Picoolo?
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You could potentially argue Piccolo is either more powerful than the cumulative powers of the Z-Fighters or even simply over a hundred-times more powerful than Kami, given how teamwork in the Dragon World is portrayed numerous times as providing a combined boost "many levels greater than usual".
Also, I know it's, like, fourth-level authority (if even that), but the DB Official Site's Ask the Experts article about biology in the Dragon World says "Krillin, for example, was able to increase his Power Level by around fifty times between the Saiyan Arc and the Frieza Arc", which I'm going to run with for my scaling chain.
Also, I know it's, like, fourth-level authority (if even that), but the DB Official Site's Ask the Experts article about biology in the Dragon World says "Krillin, for example, was able to increase his Power Level by around fifty times between the Saiyan Arc and the Frieza Arc", which I'm going to run with for my scaling chain.
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1-A Piccolo? We are so winning chat
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Well that sucks cause with all that training for 7 years u would think he would be at that lvl since Piccolo <= Cell Jrs
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His clone did take out SSJ3 Gotenks with a SBC in the anime, makes no sense but you know
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Question--Are we sure this calc is accepted? It says it's last revision had it's status pending review, there was serious discussion in it's comments, and I've yet to find the actual thread that verifies this is good to use. The closest I can get is THIS thread, but though it links to the same calc, the results they speak of to be accepted aren't very clear. In fact, they seem contradictory to the ones in the blog. (1/150th Baseline Solar System, or 4.65 x 10^33 according to the thread, but the calc blog comments claims the accepted value is 1.55 x 10^43).
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