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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

That's not a retcon, it's just a facet of Frieza's character. He was already for all intents and purposes at the top of the food chain, why bother going higher? Beerus being the one behind Frieza blowing up Planet Vegeta feels wayyy more like a retcon.
I said plothole not retcon. Dragonball fans aren’t beating the allegations.
Character flaw, lol?

After being resurrected, Frieza only began training because, after being thoroughly beaten for the first time by Goku and Future Trunks and being dead for fifteen years, he had grown out of shape, and the only fighters in the entire universe to ever defeat him had grown stronger since then. Even with the potential threat of the Super Saiyan, training was unnecessary then.
It completely changed frieza a motivation from paranoid tyrant who feared the potential of the saiyans uprising and taking over his empire thanks to the super saiyan to him just being too lazy to do a few pushups in secret to stay ahead of the saiyans just as a precaution.
 
It completely changed frieza a motivation from paranoid tyrant who feared the potential of the saiyans uprising and taking over his empire thanks to the super saiyan to him just being too lazy to do a few pushups in secret to stay ahead of the saiyans just as a precaution.
Freeza was ALWAYS an egotistical ass that never even believed anyone could get NEAR his power, so his arrogance is why he didn't want to train, he saw as it being beneath him
 
It completely changed frieza a motivation from paranoid tyrant who feared the potential of the saiyans uprising and taking over his empire thanks to the super saiyan to him just being too lazy to do a few pushups in secret to stay ahead of the saiyans just as a precaution.
Frieza being born with unmatched power, so far ahead of the competition that he never even considered the need for improvement, is sorta central to his character?
Plus, the Saiyans were weak, and even if he feared their future potential, he still believed just wiping them all out (Can't have a Super Saiyan if there are no Saiyans) was easier and more effective than wasting his time training, something he outright considers a "lowly task."
 
It completely changed frieza a motivation from paranoid tyrant who feared the potential of the saiyans uprising and taking over his empire thanks to the super saiyan to him just being too lazy to do a few pushups in secret to stay ahead of the saiyans just as a precaution.
What really stops from being both though?

Frieza was always lazy even in Z, given he just sat on his throne all day and made his minions do anything for him.
 
What really stops from being both though?

Frieza was always lazy even in Z, given he just sat on his throne all day and made his minions do anything for him.
But being able to go from namek saga to post BoG in first form in 4 ******* months? And your saying you couldn’t do a few days of training every few months?
 
Freeza was ALWAYS an egotistical ass that never even believed anyone could get NEAR his power, so his arrogance is why he didn't want to train, he saw as it being beneath him
He knew about beerus and Buu being stronger than him. Surpassing beerus is one thing but he wasn’t bothered trying to hunt Buu either too?
 
Buu hasn't been active for 5 millions years old, King Cold probably only knew of him through legends. Not that hunting Buu really gets Frieza anything in the first place?
 
You said that as if it explained anything, but it didn't.
Saiyans are the best thing at his disposal as long as he kept them loyal. Business wise it was a dumb decision but in Z it was understandable since he feared their potential
Buu hasn't been active for 5 millions years old, so King Cold probably only knew of him through legends. Not that hunting Buu really gets Frieza anything in the first place?
Considering the dude killed some of his best assets over a myth……..

Also I should rephrase. Frieza not training isn’t the plothole. It’s his potential that is the plothole in case their any misunderstanding, had they introduced a time chamber or had the freeza force spy on goku and his friends similar to what they did in the superhero movie to create simulations then the jump in power would be much more belivable. Frieza’s potential would have allowed him to likely surpassed the Buu saga in just a measly month. Given it took Goku decades of training with some of the finest warriors to reach Buu’s level of power and frieza likely could have done it in a month
 
Also I should rephrase. Frieza not training isn’t the plothole. It’s his potential that is the plothole in case their any misunderstanding, had they introduced a time chamber or had the freeza force spy on goku and his friends similar to what they did in the superhero movie to create simulations then the jump in power would be much more belivable
They literally explain that in Xenoverse 2.
 
He knew about beerus and Buu being stronger than him. Surpassing beerus is one thing but he wasn’t bothered trying to hunt Buu either too?
Buu and Beerus were specifically told to him by his father to never mess with, so Freeza maybe just trusts his father, plus... he really had no reason to try and get stronger than either of them anyway
 
The only one whose potential makes a lick of sense is gohan and oob (Uub?)
Uub is the only one, Gohan's makes as much sense as Freeza's

plus... dude, Freeza having potential is not a plothole, show me anywhere in Z where Freeza even gave a slight hint that he trained or wanted to improve himself, he never showed any
 
Buu and Beerus were specifically told to him by his father to never mess with, so Freeza maybe just trusts his father, plus... he really had no reason to try and get stronger than either of them anyway
Didn’t beerus suggest to frieza to kill the saiyans. He’d have to have had contact somehow.


As I say that I realise that fixes the plothole but makes the writing worse because rather than painting frieza as either a paranoid power hungry maniac or a lazy bum. He’s just a good dog following orders from the cat
 
Didn’t beerus suggest to frieza to kill the saiyans. He’d have to have had contact somehow.


As I say that I realise that fixes the plothole but makes the writing worse because rather than painting frieza as either a paranoid power hungry maniac or a lazy bum. He’s just a good dog following orders from the cat
I think Beerus just made a suggestion to Frieza, the Broly film still maintained the idea of Frieza being a crazy person who wanted to destroy Planet Vegeta, in addition to his fear of the super Saiyan legend
 
Dragon Ball is in the middle of this chaos

This doesn’t sound very smart ngl
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Can someone tell me why King Chappa's profile was deleted?
 


This is an amazing thread sharing a recent interview with Toriyama's three editors, it reveals stuff that was thought to be myths, shared more of Toriyama style of "doing things as he reached that point" and how the story was completely fluid by whatever Toriyama was thinking in any given week. It's a fun read.

Kazenshuu might share a complete translation later on.
 
Ehhh canon to the anime it’s possible but manga just isn’t happening
It's an arc after Majin Buu, it's canon for the anime super and manga super, because it's Akira Toriyama's plot, there's still the fact that there's no adaptation for the manga ( the same thing happened with the Broly movie )
 
It's an arc after Majin Buu, it's canon for the anime super and manga super, because it's Akira Toriyama's plot,
My dude, the Super anime is not canon, it is a continuation of DBKai, not of Akira's work(the DB manga), so of it is canon to the DB Manga, it can't canon to the DBS Anime without proof

there's still the fact that there's no adaptation for the manga ( the same thing happened with the Broly movie )
... what does this have to do with anything
 
I was thinking since yesterday, Trunks' timeline, the one where Goku died of a heart attack and all the other Z warriors, there was no one to stop Gomah from being the king of the demons and since Dabura ended up kicking the bucket for Trunks, so Gomah continued to enslave the demon race until his death ( since neither Goku or Vegeta was there )
 
man, i will really, really really, love more concrete proof of the afterlife being a separate space and time, not just pure mentioning, and is not that hard, just show that clocks don't work there and thats it.
 
My dude, the Super anime is not canon, it is a continuation of DBKai, not of Akira's work(the DB manga), so of it is canon to the DB Manga, it can't canon to the DBS Anime without proof


... what does this have to do with anything
Sometimes it seems like you don't know how to read Omega, I'm saying that Dragon Ball Daima is canon for super anime and super manga.

Sometimes just reading the comment one more time will help you a lot with these things.
 
man, i will really, really really, love more concrete proof of the afterlife being a separate space and time, not just pure mentioning, and is not that hard, just show that clocks don't work there and thats it.
I’m confused. Why wouldn’t a clock in one spacetime not work in a separate/different spacetime?
 
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