All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

[Chariot190]

does it matter if it's a technique, it scales to Whis' reactions given he's done quick jerk, stops, pivots and even reacts to shit in a instant while doing it and Beerus has a feat where he was like 20% as quick as it by himself

Saint Seiya Discussion Thread (IV)

Bold of you to assume Kurumada actually thinks about what he’s writing Kurumada lost his sense of writing ever since he had the Gold Saints wasting their breathe by fighting each other for silly reasons when they should be saving their strength for their enemies instead. Like how are they even...

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my suspicion was right! Veronica IS a comicvine user . no wonder all her arguments are beyond gutter trash. and she repeatedly quotes the same guy from comicvine who's notorious for downplaying Dragon ball with bullshit like sub-FTL DBS and below universal Goku, it makes sense now. she gets all her arguments from comicvine

Don't start with or belittle other sites as a whole just because you have issue with an individual.

 

[Veronica]

keep yapping lmao. No one takes you seriously. all your arguments are comicvine tier meme level bullshit with not a modicum of truth or original thought put into them. i honestly wish I had the kind of sheer misplaced confidence that you do in your own trashy takes

Except SBG being retconned is now known by the vast majority in Youtube, Reddit, Kazenshuu and many other vsbattle forums and it's growing. We can talk about it but you should calm down since its just fiction.

 

[Ryzen7900X]

does it matter if it's a technique, it scales to Whis' reactions given he's done quick jerk, stops, pivots and even reacts to shit in a instant while doing it and Beerus has a feat where he was like 20% as quick as it by himself

Don't start with or belittle other sites as a whole just because you have issue with an individual.

oh no you would (and should) absolutely s**t on the gutter trash known as comicvine. I was just showing that my feeling wasnt just out of no where

 

[Ryzen7900X]

Except SBG being retconned is now known by the vast majority in Youtube, Reddit, Kazenshuu and many other vsbattle forums and it's growing.

yeah maybe in your dreams cuz the exact opposite is happening as far as I know.

We can talk about it but you should calm down since its just fiction.

lol I have no intention of debating you. most of your arguments are copy-pasted nonsense

 

[Chariot190]

oh no you would (and should) absolutely s**t on the gutter trash known as comicvine. I was just showing that my feeling wasnt just out of no where

i dont like it either man but still, be civil

 

[Veronica]

yeah maybe in your dreams cuz the exact opposite is happening as far as I know.

lol I have no intention of debating you. most of your arguments are copy-pasted nonsense

Nope, look at the recent post in Ningen and DBS about SBG or read the comments with "SSG" as search. You will see almost everyone saying it got retconned since U6 and Kanzenshuu says the same thing. Also none of my arguments are from comicvine but from watching the show and information from movie.

 

[Ryzen7900X]

i dont like it either man but still, be civil

tbh trashing an entire site is probably better than targeting one user anyway

 

[Ryzen7900X]

Nope, look at the recent post in Ningen and DBS about SBG or read the comments with "SSG" as search. You will see almost everyone saying it got retconned since U6 and Kanzenshuu says the same thing. Also none of my arguments are from comicvine but from watching the show and information from movie.

none of that is happening, no one thinks it got retconned, at least not most of the scaling community. plus even if that was true that would just be an appeal to popularity fallacy

 

[Omegabronic]

None of mine arguments are from comicvine. SBG being retconned is literally shown and explained in RoF and U6 arc same with "combat" vs "travel" speed. So this whole SSG x SSG is fan-fiction garbage.

Why are you not making a thread to make that accepted then?

 

[Ryzen7900X]

Why are you not making a thread to make that accepted then?

she made like 5 of them. the fact that none of them got accepted is precisely why she comes on this thread to try and peddle that nonsense

 

[Veronica]

none of that is happening, no one thinks it got retconned, at least not most of the scaling community. plus even if that was true that would just be an appeal to popularity fallacy

Here some evidence:

SSB is THE SSJ form with SSG

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So going SSJ on SSG power is always SSB (SSJ)

Only SSB is beyond SSG power:

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Again only SSB (SSJ) is beyond SSG

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(Uhm, actually Goku, you could go SSJ3 and become 400 times beyond SSG power ☝)

So yellow SSJ being 50x SSG is fan-fiction.

 

[Omegabronic]

she made like 5 of them. the fact that none of them got accepted is precisely why she comes on this thread to try and peddle that nonsense

........how is she not Topic Banned already?

 

[Fezzih_007]

Nope, look at the recent post in Ningen and DBS about SBG or read the comments with "SSG" as search.

They are all wrong, that's kinda simple.

 

[Ryzen7900X]

........how is she not Topic Banned already?

beats me. I wish she was

 

[Ryzen7900X]

Here some evidence:

SSB is THE SSJ form with SSG

IMG-20240503-235542 hosted at ImgBB

Image IMG-20240503-235542 hosted on ImgBB

ibb.co

So going SSJ on SSG power is always SSB (SSJ)

Only SSB is beyond SSG power:

IMG-20240503-235624 hosted at ImgBB

Image IMG-20240503-235624 hosted on ImgBB

ibb.co

Again only SSB (SSJ) is beyond SSG

IMG-20240503-235559 hosted at ImgBB

Image IMG-20240503-235559 hosted on ImgBB

ibb.co

(Uhm, actually Goku, you could go SSJ3 and become 400 times beyond SSG power ☝)

So yellow SSJ being 50x SSG is fan-fiction.

game screenshots arent canon. Only canon element from this game is the encyclopedia.

 

[TheGreatBanana]

Here some evidence:

SSB is THE SSJ form with SSG

IMG-20240503-235542 hosted at ImgBB

Image IMG-20240503-235542 hosted on ImgBB

ibb.co

So going SSJ on SSG power is always SSB (SSJ)

Only SSB is beyond SSG power:

IMG-20240503-235624 hosted at ImgBB

Image IMG-20240503-235624 hosted on ImgBB

ibb.co

Again only SSB (SSJ) is beyond SSG

IMG-20240503-235559 hosted at ImgBB

Image IMG-20240503-235559 hosted on ImgBB

ibb.co

(Uhm, actually Goku, you could go SSJ3 and become 400 times beyond SSG power ☝)

So yellow SSJ being 50x SSG is fan-fiction.

I'm tempted to not reply but here we go.
1-You do realize that base goku in G.o.G in base preformed a much better feat Tyan ssg, right?
1-You know that ssj preformed a much better feat than ssg, right?
3-You know that's its literally stated in the anime that goku absorbed SSG power in base? Aka, now in base he is as strong as ssg, right?
4-you know that ssb is literally going ssg, and then ssj ontop of it right? It's literally called super saiyan god super saiyan. Right?
5-And if you wanna use kakarot, I can also use dbh which has ssr3.

 

[Veronica]

game screenshots arent canon. Only canon element from this game is the encyclopedia.

These are lore statements based on RoF and not gameplay mechanics and in other thread it's accepted. So give me evidence that these statements aren't accurate.

 

[Veronica]

I'm tempted to not reply but here we go.
1-You do realize that base goku in G.o.G in base preformed a much better feat Tyan ssg, right?
1-You know that ssj preformed a much better feat than ssg, right?
3-You know that's its literally stated in the anime that goku absorbed SSG power in base? Aka, now in base he is as strong as ssg, right?
4-you know that ssb is literally going ssg, and then ssj ontop of it right? It's literally called super saiyan god super saiyan. Right?
5-And if you wanna use kakarot, I can also use dbh which has ssr3.

1. That's before U6 arc
2. That's also before U6 arc and SSG power grew stronger
3. True, but that's before the retcon
4. False in RoF his base is SSG, he doesn't go SSG. He stacks SSJ on his base SSG power and god-ki thus creating SSB.
5. DBZ Kakarot has canonical information while DBH is fan-fiction tier writing

 

[Veronica]

Also Goku in BoG never stacked SSG power with regular SSJ1-3. Because he had to obtain god-ki/perfect ki control to multiplie SSG power by 50x with SSB (SSJ) as mentioned by Whis. Whis also stated before Goku had perfect Ki control that yellow SSJ form power increase is insignificant making it the deathblow. Because you NEED perfect Ki control multiply SSG power which requires SSB. Bruuuuh

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Could you just not bring this up again and again, please don't derail our discussion thread with repeated arguments.

 

[Omegabronic]

These are lore statements based on RoF and not gameplay mechanics and in other thread it's accepted. So give me evidence that these statements aren't accurate.

Make. a. thread.

 

[Damage3245]

@Veronica I do have to say that it's getting quite repetitve; you're not winning any points by bringing up the same points over and over again on the general discussion thread.

 

[RedReaper616]

1. That's before U6 arc
2. That's also before U6 arc and SSG power grew stronger
3. True, but that's before the retcon
4. False in RoF his base is SSG, he doesn't go SSG. He stacks SSJ on his base SSG power and god-ki thus creating SSB.
5. DBZ Kakarot has canonical information while DBH is fan-fiction tier writing

Okay—This actually consistently bothers me. What retcon? Where in the story is this stated? Where does Goku say “I’ve temporarily lost my powers because Eto Bleh.” Even when Saiyan Beyond God “was a thing,” Toriyama said he still could go SSJ2-3, but that he “rarely would” because it was just better to use regular SSJ. At no point is there a moment where the plot is, inexplicably, rewritten. Hell, even when Toriyama said Goku never needed to go SSG again, that’s all he said. Not that he COULDN’T—Just that it was unnecessary.

 

[Veronica]

@Veronica I do have to say that it's getting quite repetitve; you're not winning any points by bringing up the same points over and over again on the general discussion thread.

But they can't refute it the evidence other than to bringing threats against me: "I'm going to report you!". So REFUTE the FACTS

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

@Veronica I do have to say that it's getting quite repetitve; you're not winning any points by bringing up the same points over and over again on the general discussion thread.

Can we do anything about it? She keeps mentioning it over and over and can't get better, i think getting a permanent ban from DB would be good.

 

[Veronica]

Okay—This actually consistently bothers me. What retcon? Where in the story is this stated? Where does Goku say “I’ve temporarily lost my powers because Eto Bleh.” Even when Saiyan Beyond God “was a thing,” Toriyama said he still could go SSJ2-3, but that he “rarely would” because it was just better to use regular SSJ. At no point is there a moment where the plot is, inexplicably, rewritten. Hell, even when Toriyama said Goku never needed to go SSG again, that’s all he said. Not that he COULDN’T—Just that it was unnecessary.

Because Goku going SSJ is always SSB in RoF. Frieza says go "SSJ" and Goku says "I don't need to go SSJ" and what do see its SSB, because at that time SSB is THE SSJ form. Also in DBZ Kakarot just calls it "SSJ" because Akira vision was base=SSG and SSB is the new regular SSJ form but U6 shows yellow SSJ again.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

But they can't refute it the evidence other than to bringing threats against me: "I'm going to report you!". So REFUTE the FACTS

I have seen nothing form you that supports the existence of the retcon you claim

 

[Damage3245]

Okay—This actually consistently bothers me. What retcon? Where in the story is this stated? Where does Goku say “I’ve temporarily lost my powers because Eto Bleh.” Even when Saiyan Beyond God “was a thing,” Toriyama said he still could go SSJ2-3, but that he “rarely would” because it was just better to use regular SSJ. At no point is there a moment where the plot is, inexplicably, rewritten. Hell, even when Toriyama said Goku never needed to go SSG again, that’s all he said. Not that he COULDN’T—Just that it was unnecessary.

To be fair I don't think that's what is meant by a retcon here; I think they're referring to it being phased out / no longer mentioned / dropped. Not someone explicitly acknowledging it in-universe and saying they can no longer do it.

 

[Veronica]

Can we do anything about it? She keeps mentioning it over and over and can't get better, i think getting a permanent ban from DB would be good.

Can't refute anytime so lets use censorship

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Because Goku going SSJ is always SSB in RoF. Frieza says go "SSJ" and Goku says "I don't need to go SSJ" and what do see its SSB, because at that time SSB is THE SSJ form. Also in DBZ Kakarot just calls it "SSJ" because Akira vision was base=SSG and SSB is the new regular SSJ form but U6 shows yellow SSJ again.

Goku not needing to use it dosen't equal it not existing anymore

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Can't refute anytime so lets use censorship

Honestly, we've discussed this with you a million times and we're just tired of it, just stop, we are asking politely.

 

[Veronica]

Goku not needing to use it dosen't equal it not existing anymore

It didn't exist. Akira literally said "Only base and SSJ (SSB) exist from now on, because he never planned anything beyond RoF when he made the movie.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

It didn't exist. Akira literally said "Only base and SSJ (SSB) exist from now on, because he never planned anything beyond RoF when he made the movie.

Nothing in the text proves that. Goku not needing it can just mean blue is better, which it clearly is

 

[Veronica]

Honestly, we've discussed this with you a million times and we're just tired of it, just stop, we are asking politely.

And I got nonsense fan-fiction answers such as: SSG x SSG

 

[TheGreatBanana]

1. That's before U6 arc
2. That's also before U6 arc and SSG power grew stronger
3. True, but that's before the retcon
4. False in RoF his base is SSG, he doesn't go SSG. He stacks SSJ on his base SSG power and god-ki thus creating SSB.
5. DBZ Kakarot has canonical information while DBH is fan-fiction tier writing

1-"That's before U6" stfu, buu safa was also before U6, does that mean it's retconed? No. You can't just say "Before U6" and expect people to agree with your dumb ass argument.
2-Same as 1, and so what if ssg power grew stronger...? Goku grows stronger all the time tf.
4-....his base isn't ssg, his base is literally his dark normal hair form, you can't be serious. Also contradicted by the fact that he can go ssj1-3 normally so your argument isn't just stupid, I literally makes zero sense. He literally stacks ssj ontop of ssg, not ontop of base form. Because if he did, he wouldn't be able to turn into ssj. Like bro, he literally goes to ssj, ssg, and then ssb.
5- idgaf, bring up arguments from the Canon.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

And I got nonsense fan-fiction answers such as: SSG x SSG

You just dislike the answer.

 

[TheGreatBanana]

And I got nonsense fan-fiction answers such as: SSG x SSG

...wtf is even ssg x ssg...?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

...wtf is even ssg x ssg...?

 

[Veronica]

...wtf is even ssg x ssg...?

The idea that Goku base SSG power gets multiplied by SSG transformation.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

...wtf is even ssg x ssg...?

There refering to SSG power becoming base power meaning that using the SSG form would be that form's power by itself ignoring that we don't see the form again for a long time after blue came around