All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

[Veronica]

ToP Goku needs SSJ to defeat Buu Saga tiers as his base power got retconned.

"NooOOo MuHuuH BaTt oFff GoOOds, sO BaSiL aNd BuU HunReDs oF TiMEs StROnGER tHaN SsG gOku!!!!!!"

Akira and Toei would laugh at your if you suggested something so wrong based on misunderstanding.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Still going on about this alleged "retcon?" You're quite literally just wrong on this and are misinterpreting the source material to fit this agenda - and your attempts to enforce this have all been rejected nigh-unanimously.

 

[Veronica]

If he's SSG level in base already, then going SSJ inherently makes him 50 times stronger. What kind of logic is this?

Except the SSJ in RoF is SSB and not regular yellow SSJ that multiplies his base by 50x. As going SSJ on SSG power base creates SSB. Since SSB is SSG power + god-ki and regular SSJ is none of that.

 

[Veronica]

Still going on about this alleged "retcon?" You're quite literally just wrong on this and are misinterpreting the source material to fit this agenda - and your attempts to enforce this have all been rejected nigh-unanimously.

Show me that regular SSJ is 50x SSG power.

 

[Deleted member 40688]

Is there a mute button to mute certain individuals? frankly I do not want to get notif for something like this.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Look no further than this entire thread

Now if you don't like the result, that's one thing, but that's not grounds for you to act like you're right without further substantiation.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Except the SSJ in RoF is SSB and not regular yellow SSJ that multiplies his base by 50x. As going SSJ on SSG power base creates SSB. Since SSB is SSG power + god-ki and regular SSJ is none of that.

No, that's a much higher level that's way beyond 50x RoF Goku's base. It's stronger than Super Saiyan 3, for instance, which is a 400x boost off of Goku's base.

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

Ok but bulma and I assume the namek children would die under these conditions

Bulma surviving means the gravity is basically 1g

Which means, if the planet is actually that big, it most likely has a low average density

 

[RedReaper616]

"NooOOo MuHuuH BaTt oFff GoOOds, sO BaSiL aNd BuU HunReDs oF TiMEs StROnGER tHaN SsG gOku!!!!!!"

Akira and Toei would laugh at your if you suggested something so wrong based on misunderstanding.

I don't think you know what the word retcon means.

 

[StekFence]

Bulma surviving means the gravity is basically 1g

Which means, if the planet is actually that big, it most likely has a low average density

Fair nuff

 

[Veronica]

No, that's a much higher level that's way beyond 50x RoF Goku's base. It's stronger than Super Saiyan 3, for instance, which is a 400x boost off of Goku's base.

SSB is described as " going SSJ with the power of SSG" which is 50x. Now if SSB is over 400x SSG than you contradict hat description and it makes no sense and it becomes irrelevant. Since regular SSJ can than be described "Yellow SSJ, going SSJ with the power of SSG".

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

All this talk is why I prefer the power scaling of the video games as opposed to canon DB. It doesn't have to be debated if it something got retconned in the power scaling or not, only that every relevant is Low 1-C with immeasurable speed. MUCH more easier to grasp and accept.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

All this talk is why I prefer the power scaling of the video games as opposed to canon DB. It doesn't have to be debated if it something got retconned in the power scaling or not, only that every relevant is Low 1-C with immeasurable speed. MUCH more easier to grasp and accept.

DBH powerscaling be like:

 

[CloverDragon03]

SSB is described as " going SSJ with the power of SSG" which is 50x. Now if SSB is over 400x SSG than that description makes no sense and it becomes irrelevant. Since regular SSJ can than be described "Yellow SSJ, going SSJ with the power of SSG".

No, because Goku's base form after Battle of Gods has SSG's power but not its divine aspects. So, he can go regular SSJ, but he can also harness divine power to go SSB. Hence why despite absorbing SSG's power, Goku's non-god forms still don't inherently have god ki and can be sensed by other people

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

DBH powerscaling be like:

If Toei copyright strikes it, it's canon

 

[Quantu]

Don't engage, Clover.

 

[CloverDragon03]

No, because Goku's base form after Battle of Gods has SSG's power but not its divine aspects. So, he can go regular SSJ, but he can also harness divine power to go SSB. Hence why despite absorbing SSG's power, Goku's non-god forms still don't inherently have god ki and can be sensed by other people

Last thing I wanna say before I no longer engage with this: It's getting very tiring hearing this repeatedly complained about. A discussion rule was made on the topic. You tried to overturn it and didn't succeed. Just stop.

If you don't have anything new to bring to the table, this is not worth revisiting.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

DBH powerscaling be like:

EXACTLY. People can call shit like Heroes fan service until the cows come home but at least it knows what it is and embraces it completely, which makes it so much more easy to discuss and power scale.

Who would've guessed that a game, whose whole gimmick is being pure fan service and saying everything is canon, would be more straightforward than its canon counterpart? It's pretty funny to me by that logic.

 

[Veronica]

No, because Goku's base form after Battle of Gods has SSG's power but not its divine aspects. So, he can go regular SSJ, but he can also harness divine power to go SSB. Hence why despite absorbing SSG's power, Goku's non-god forms still don't inherently have god ki and can be sensed by other people

Yes, and he uses BOTH SSG POWER and god-ki to create SSB as mentioned in the transformation description. We have seen him training to obtain god-ki to create SSB, when he sparred with Vegeta. Goku can't go regular SSJ with SSG power in base, as the anime and movie both call SSB, THE SSJ form. That's why when Frieza asks "Go SSJ" Later Goku goes SSJ and what do we see? It's SSB not yellow SSJ. Finally god-ki doesn't even raise your Power Level, so a weird argument. No, the idea that regular SSJ increases SSG power is fan-fiction what no evidence behind it.

 

[Ryzen7900X]

Have you WATCHED the DBS Anime? Because like...I feel like you should go revisit the portion where Goku is a normal SSJ, stronger than he was as a SSG, and then in Base Form was stronger than that after losing SSG in the fight against Beerus.

please I beg of you dont engage with her. Her entire purpose with starting the exact same debate over and over in the thread is purely a bait attempt nothing more, she is not interested in a good faith discussion she's a pure narcissist. i hate being cynical like this but thats really how it is unfortunately. just treat ignore her existence

 

[Ryzen7900X]

Last thing I wanna say before I no longer engage with this: It's getting very tiring hearing this repeatedly complained about. A discussion rule was made on the topic. You tried to overturn it and didn't succeed. Just stop.

If you don't have anything new to bring to the table, this is not worth revisiting.

i don't know if you can answer this but is there a rule on what kind of topics can be discussed in general threads? Because its clear that her entire purpose of endlessly bringing up the same topic over and over again like a broken record is making almost everyone here uncomfortable.

 

[Veronica]

The series says SSB is 50x SSG
Vsbattle Staff "Nuh, uh, it's 10,000,000x SSG".

 

[Ryzen7900X]

Ok but bulma and I assume the namek children would die under these conditions

theoretically they should, but the fact that they dont due to the earth-like gravity of Namek actually supports the idea that its extremely large since that is the only way they wont die

 

[CloverDragon03]

i don't know if you can answer this but is there a rule on what kind of topics can be discussed in general threads? Because its clear that her entire purpose of endlessly bringing up the same topic over and over again like a broken record is making almost everyone here uncomfortable.

If you believe that her constant insistence on this topic is to such a degree, you could probably report her to the Rules Violations Reports Thread. I do know she was topic banned from Dragon Ball for about 3 months before, due to a similar insistence, though that wasn't on a general discussion thread (rather, it was on CRTs).

 

[Veronica]

If you believe that her constant insistence on this topic is to such a degree, you could probably report her to the Rules Violations Reports Thread. I do know she was topic banned from Dragon Ball for about 3 months before, due to a similar insistence, though that wasn't on a general discussion thread (rather, it was on CRTs).

You couldn't debunk my response.

 

[Damage3245]

@Veronica Just learn to accept it and drop it for a long while. Maybe some new evidence or argument will come up in the future. In the meantime all you're ensuring is that more people will be set against you and there may be a rule created to prevent this discussion again.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

[Base Goku scaling stuff again]

You’re likely going to end up unable to comment on this thread if you keep spamming this topic.

 

[Nierre]

let her yap, it's better that way

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

You couldn't debunk my response.

You're not cooking.

 

[Veronica]

@Veronica Just learn to accept it and drop it for a long while. Maybe some new evidence or argument will come up in the future. In the meantime all you're ensuring is that more people will be set against you and there may be a rule created to prevent this discussion again.

Also according the official Bandai Warrior Wafer Sticker based on the anime: https://ibb.co/D9PCvf6

Super Hero Hero base Goku is strong as Cell Saga Super Vegeta and BoG SSG has a power reading of 7600.

Drop the nonsense.

 

[Damage3245]

Not a chance are we going to accept a Sticker set as being canon though.

 

[Veronica]

Not a chance are we going to accept a Sticker set as being canon though.

It's reconfirming the retcon since U6 arc.

 

[Deleted member 40688]

Also according the official Bandai Warrior Wafer Sticker based on the anime: https://ibb.co/D9PCvf6

Super Hero Hero base Goku is strong as Cell Saga Super Vegeta and BoG SSG has a power reading of 7600.

Drop the nonsense.

There is no such thing as power reading.

 

[Ryzen7900X]

Drop the nonsense.

Take your own advice or you'll probably get banned from this thread again as Mav said:

You’re likely going to end up unable to comment on this thread if you keep spamming this topic.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

It's reconfirming the retcon since U6 arc.

By using, of all things, STICKERS? Let alone stickers which don't show any indication of being something to take as being canonical information?

Toriyama could've put these stickers on his ******* fridge and it'd still not be official information, if you're going to provide evidence then use anything else other than stickers.

 

[Veronica]

You’re likely going to end up unable to comment on this thread if you keep spamming this topic.

Well, I'm factually right. But I will drop it and enjoy your "hundreds of times SSG level Basil"

 

[Veronica]

By using, of all things, STICKERS? Let alone stickers which don't show any indication of being something to take as being canonical information?

Toriyama could've put these stickers on his ******* fridge and it'd still not be official information, if you're going to provide evidence then use anything else other than stickers.

It's linced by both Toei and Shuasha and its promoted on DB official site.

 

[Deleted member 40688]

enjoy your "hundreds of times SSG level Basil"

We are eating btw.

 

[Veronica]

We are eating btw.

Akira and Toei laughing at that crap

 

[Damage3245]

But I will drop it

Thank you.