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Nah I know that's not what you're saying. Just venting.
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Serlock_Holmes
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Ask for Agnaa, DT and Ultima to be tagged.
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they did in earlier post, and i asked ultima to comment myself also, but he said don't expect a quick reply
Serlock_Holmes
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In the new tag from Ant they weren't included. That's why I brought it up.
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Which he probably concluded because he couldn't sense Goku's ki. It would be fairly illogical for him to only conclude this after seeing it the second time if he can actually sense God ki.
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This actually doesn't line up. If not sensing it would allow him to know it's God Ki, he wouldn't ask Merus if it was camouflage, first. Heck, he had Vegeta's powers and still couldn't sense Merus/Understand MUI Goku. Even then, Moro claims he CAN sense God Ki when he talks to the Lord of Lords, and explicitly notes that none exists within Buu-(Because the Evil Buu gained all of the God Power, as we see later in the Arc.)
So either the entire arc is inconsistent in his God Ki sensory, or God Ki has a layered sensory spectrum.
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It doesn't allow him know for certain, which is why he asked both times. But if he knows that it's not regular ki, then there is really only one other option; it's God ki. I also don't think sensing God ki is considered a power or ability the way Hakai or Kamehameha are, but I can agree it's probably layered based on the scan you sent.
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At least DT replied.
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What if Moro "sensing God Ki" is him recognizing that he can no longer sense his target's energy?
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Well, 7-3 copies both "abilities" and "combat power."
It's also why any training Gohan and Piccolo did in between the time of their previous and current fight was meaningless, because he co-opted all their abilities. I mean, 7-3 also demonstrates the regeneration, elasticity, and size manip of a Namekian, and none of those are in the same category of energy attacks. 7-3 also was capable of copying dimensional travel, quill fire, and invisibilty as well. Not to mention that Ki Sensing in general is an ability, considering Vegeta had to get it in comparison to characters from the Frieza Force, who relied on their Scouters.
That doesn't make sense? In this scan specifically he is saying he can't sense God Ki in the Kai, but he could before all those millions of years ago.
Functionally, it'd make more sense to say that it's Moro realizing he CAN sense his opponent's energy, but that in itself is contradictory to the statement being made to begin with-Since Moro is establishing "You had God Power I could sense at one point, but now you no longer do."
Due to that, I'm leaning into the idea that it's a spectrum, especially because of the comments Vegeta-("Only Gods can sense THAT KIND of Godly Chi,")-and Goku-("I sense Godly Chi, but not ANY KIND of Godly Chi...,") make in regards to their "Ultra" forms. It's God Ki, but one of a different nature in some way that separates it from the rest. (Personally it seems like they're trying to make UI and UE what SSG and SSB should've been initially when it comes to the difference between it and normal Ki.)
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UhIf Buu absorbed Guldo, would he be able to stop time indefinitely?
I mean
HMMMMMMM
Possibly...?
Bigger question is how do you definite holding your breath if you don't breathe?
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If that's the case then PUI Goku should have fear aura as he made Moro shake in his boots despite not being able to sense him
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Go whatever you feel is right.
Even though, like, the Mummy was scared spitless by Goku's distinct lack of fighting style during their fight. Again, terrorizing via demeanor is Social Influencing, too.
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I thought it was a lack of openings? Unless the Viz TL is wrong (which wouldn't be surprising. Also, to clarify, this IS a legitimate question I am asking.)
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As he should be
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Spinoirr
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Idk, Moro couldn't sense PUI Goku and Goku was literally just walking towards him and didn't didn't show off the gap in power yet
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I think the Ki-related Fearhax should be related to specific characters, like Moro or {Toei} Cell, whose energy are like a mass of screaming (1) Souls (2), and that everything else can just be social influencing. The only other relevant fear inducement across the franchise is just Hit and Goku, and technically nothing about that scene indicates it was Ki doing that—They literally just glare at Champa, after all.
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I agree this makes sense to me as well
Could it be passive social influencing or nah?
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Yeah, it's passive for sure
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I was also shocked
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TLDR?
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They were able to solve most of the Scouter Text/Language/Cipher used in DBS: Broly, and then used that to translate the text from its Scouter Text form to normal text.
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That’s cool
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question fellas
Ki should have some type of limited clairvoyance right?
Ki should have some type of limited clairvoyance right?
- Bardock and the Kanassans
- Goku reading the minds of Krillin and Buu
- Knowing the evil intent of your enemy ahead of their attacks
- Goku and Gohan seeing how a fight between Basil and Krillin would play out
- Goku and Gohan watching Cell attack Piccolo and 17
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Probably not this. This was something the Kanassans did due to their physiology, which they then cursed Bardock with (as far as I recall).
Yeah, this could work, but most can’t do this—It’s specified that Goku achieved this through “Sharpening his mind,” so realistically if it IS Ki related it’d be Goku-Exclusive and not on a Verse Page/Blog.
Same here.
Insert Plankton Correct Meme.
Insert Plankton Correct Meme.
Another worthwhile example would be Tien and Piccolo watching Vegeta from the lookout against Semi-Perfect Cell. However, my only gripe is I wouldn’t describe it as “watching” (for GENERAL Ki Users, not Goku) since it’s mostly them sensing the combat between energy sources. The best explicit example of this is Cell, who used his Sensory to do the same—And was able to deduce he was fighting an Android due to no second large Ki Signature.
So it’s less them “Seeing” the fight and more them “Understanding/Sensing The Flow of Battle.” If that all makes sense.
I say this because there’s a pretty explicit difference made between THIS sight and the actual Clairvoyance used by a character like Kami, whose “sight” allowed him to literally see Cell whereas Piccolo had no clue what his counterpart was talking about whatsoever. Same with what Goku did in the Regen Pod/In his Coma compared to everyone else’s sensory.
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This could be for general Ki Sense but we'd need some examples.
I believe this is fair as it appears to be a form of Image Training. We see in the same arc that Freeza was able to simulate endless battles with Goku via meditation and it was clearly accurate because he was able to match Goku's movements and strength. If Goku didn't have those extra 3 years in the HTC or the chance to fight the likes of Hit, Black and Zamasu he would have likely lost.
Unfortunately I don't think this one can work. The Daizenshuu 4 lists Telepathy as a unique characteristic of Goku among the saiyans, same with Vegeta's Fake Moon. Meaning other Saiyans do not have Telepathy or the Fake Moon.
For anyone too lazy to click, this is what it says:
"A telepathic ability blossomed through intense training.
Just by holding his hand over someone's head, he reads their memories. While asleep, he hears what everyone says amidst his dreams. These various forms of telepathy are a result of undergoing intense training and sharpening his spirit."
It uses Goku speaking in Gohan's mind during the Saiyan Saga as an example of this ability.
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Yeah, we have this
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Actually, looking at the telepathy of Moro (was looking for examples) it occurs to me that the telepathy may also have different types, similar to Anime Piccolo's reference to how they fly. (He claims his version is superior to Bukujutsu, and thus uses less energy and flies faster, allowing him to keep up). I say this because when he specifically refers to the Telepathy between Piccolo and Dende as a Namekian ability. Mind you, it cannot be extrapolated he was referring to Dende's healing, because he mentions that separately here. This parallels the Dai. 4 statements on Namekian abilities, stating they have inherent Telepathy. (Separate from the Telepathy that is achieved by sharpening one's Spirit Goku did). All of that context is important, because he defines this Telepathy as a distinctly a "Namekian ability," compared to his own telepathy he used to speak to Cranberry, or the Memory Reading he used on Buu. This isn't to say it's superior or worse, or even needs a mention on pages, but I find it interesting how there seems to be a greater effort/emphasis on how abilities work relative to each other or categorized.
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Hey, Awkguy, (and anyone else who would like to assist), would you be willing to help me split up the work between watching and categorizing the feats of the OG DB Anime (for a Toei Kid Goku profile)? There's 153 episodes in total, and some of it has pretty important stuff, like learning Ki on a more foundational level from Master Mutaito, fighting and training with Masters Shen and Roshi in their prime, the Time Travel room on Kami's Lookout used for training, fighting that super giant chick and also meeting Grandpa Gohan a second time, etc.
I was thinking of assigning a given amount of episodes per person (splitting up the episodes between us) to then cover individually before coming together into one larger profile.
I was thinking of assigning a given amount of episodes per person (splitting up the episodes between us) to then cover individually before coming together into one larger profile.
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I'm down I definitely suggest joining the discord we have for DB if you are not on there already
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https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:ChronoULT/sandbox3
I'm adding and classifying the abilities the way Daizenshuu 4 does, any thoughts?
I'm adding and classifying the abilities the way Daizenshuu 4 does, any thoughts?
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I'm not so you're gonna have to invite me.
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