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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

ChronoULT said:
Also, Porunga can restore the Earth and everyone that lived there, and he is weaker than the Namekian Warriors with a power level of 3000. This can upgrade the scallling chain
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But that's the thing Porunga currently scales off restoring the Earth via reality warping. Shouldn't he scale to the energy he restored to Goku as well?
 
pineappleman said:
But that's the thing Porunga currently scales off restoring the Earth via reality warping. Shouldn't he scale to the energy he restored to Goku as well?
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He says that he can if he restores his energy to normal levels, so looks like he can't restore him to full power
 
Also note that in Dragon Ball there seems to be a disconnect of sorts. Dende, for example, can heal any fighters regardless of power level back into peak physical condition (and despite the fact he has very low “Divine Power.”). Conversely, Trunks’ Kai-Gained ability was limited and could only restore 1 fighter (of Black Arc SSB) level to full strength and could not restore Vegeta past “able to sit up.” It was mainly only useful for the non-combatants (Mai and Gowasu). And the Namekian in the Granolah side of things (Monaito) had a limited healing ability that improved over the arc’s time, getting faster and better as time passed (Monaito could also heal fighters into peak condition, just with substantially more time needed than Dende. Esca {From Moro’s Arc} was the same.)

TL;DR, each ability is tailored to them to some degree and thus I don’t think you can cross scale them. At best, considering the Namekians seem to heal regardless of a fighter’s condition, it’s not scalable for them (just an ability) and Trunks’ ability does have a scalable variant due to the regenerative energy limit he has. But even then, it’s heavily implied this is unrelated to his strength and instead just the limit of his powers, because Trunks is completely outclassed the entire Arc.
 
Vizer04 said:
Dende doesn't scale to the people he heals. Also, it's reality warping.
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RedReaper said:
Also note that in Dragon Ball there seems to be a disconnect of sorts. Dende, for example, can heal any fighters regardless of power level back into peak physical condition (and despite the fact he has very low “Divine Power.”). ).
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Dende's healing scales off the strength of who he is healing and how severe their wounds are. So while he is able to heal very powerful people it's clear the more power they have (Ki) the longer it takes him to heal them. Implying there is some correlation with healing and Ki. That's not to say Dende's own raw power scales to them but it's clear his healing has its limits, there is some level of transference from Dende's own power into the power of his target.

RedReaper said:
And the Namekian in the Granolah side of things (Monaito) had a limited healing ability that improved over the arc’s time, getting faster and better as time passed (Monaito could also heal fighters into peak condition, just with substantially more time needed than Dende. Esca {From Moro’s Arc} was the same.)
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While they weren't heavily injured, Monaito was able to instantly restore Goku and Vegeta back to peak strength. And Granolah who was coughing up blood. Maybe you could argue the actual issue for Dende was primarily the severity of Goku's wound but I believe there is an argument that Monaito's healing evolved past Dende's level as he can restore godly power for multiple individuals in rapid succession.

My guess is that it's a mixture of the user's own Ki and the quality of their Healing ability. I'd say Ki transfers into Healing at some sort of ratio and that ratio expands as your Healing skill improves with practice. Trunks could only heal one person at a time because he only just started using the ability but has plenty of Ki whereas Dende is experienced with healing and can heal multiple powerful fighters despite being much weaker. Monaito likely has more Ki than Dende and evolved his Healing ability past Dende's level by the end of the Granolah Saga.

User's Ki * Healing quality = Healing level
Level 1 Healing - Can only heal one person fully and likely takes a very long time to heal people with very high levels of power. (Trunks)
Level 2 Healing - Can heal multiple people fully but takes longer to heal people with very high levels of power. (Dende)
Level 3 Healing - Can heal multiple people fully even if they have very high levels of power. (Monaito)
 
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I wanna point out that a distinction is made between Dende's healing granting energy, and Porunga outright giving energy on his own.
This is backed up by Goku not losing his wounds/bruising after getting his energy replenished
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Anyway, that still would fall under Magic/Reality Warping hax and would not affect his AP.
 
Vizer04 said:
Anyway, that still would fall under Magic/Reality Warping hax and would not affect his AP.
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It’s literally based on the user it’s the reason why characters don’t get resistance to Reality Warping for Shenron’s power not affecting them because Shenron’s power is limited by the person using the DBs hence why Shenron couldn’t kill Vegeta and Nappa because KamI isn’t stronger than either
 
TheGodOfICE777 said:
It’s literally based on the user it’s the reason why characters don’t get resistance to Reality Warping for Shenron’s power not affecting them because Shenron’s power is limited by the person using the DBs hence why Shenron couldn’t kill Vegeta and Nappa because KamI isn’t stronger than either
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Are you seriously implying that Elder Guru should scale higher than Goku?
 
Haven't seen full translations yet but it shows Cell Max swat Goten and Trunks aside. Bulma seems angry that she and Chi-Chi grounded them for half a year from training. Following pages show them going Super Saiyan and then fighting alongside the Gammas properly.

The last page shows Super Saiyan Trunks kick Cell Max in the head, making him stumble right before Goten fires a Steam Cleaner High Pressure energy wave.

So overall the chapter drafts seem to indicate they are weaker from the prequel arc due to not training for half a year but it shows them fighting much much better as Super Saiyans as well as Goten having Steam Manipulation like Trunks. With Trunks even scoring a solid blow on Cell Max.
 
sup

does any1 know how hard the spirit bomb and kaioken are in years? I swear to god i remember something like it takes 200 years to learn the spirit bomb ... but no idea where ive seen it 😭
 
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Sometimes Geekdom annoys me so much. I have the impression that he thinks that he is the Jesus of Dragonball
 
AwkguyDB said:
He apparently knows for a fact that DBS was gonna come back in 2019 and will reveal that info in October
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But also simultaneously is an asshole to DBS Chronicles, who has been correct more times than not (providing insider knowledge directly) for leaking the same shiz earlier than the dude did.

It’s incredibly strange how much they try to vilify him when he’s provided the best leaks around and was even indirectly supported by the actual DB Staff.

“If you’re lucky you might get more than this movie later in the year.” (Actual company people confirming Chronicles’ leaks.)
 
So, while we haven't seen the full fight yet I'm going to have some hot takes on the scaling.
Feats/Statements
  • Goten and Trunks in base form take a hit from Cell Max, with Bulma stating they haven't trained in over half a year due to being grounded, meaning they are weaker than they were in the prequel arc.
  • Despite being swatted aside, the two of them recover easily and reassure Piccolo that they can handle Cell Max for some time if they go Super Saiyan
  • Krillin who fought with them against the Dinodroid seems confident in their ability to handle the situation, this is when he knows the Gammas are struggling to put Cell Max down and knows they gave Piccolo and Gohan a tough fight.
  • That aside, Trunks does note that Cell Max is clumsy with Gamma 1 believing he doesn't know how to wield his power yet. This might seem like an anti-statement for scaling but the Gammas do not weaken with battle and are trying to beat Cell Max ASAP yet have failed to do so. Meaning Cell Max even now is too strong for them to defeat quickly.
  • In the previous link, we see SS1 Goten and Trunks coordinate to avoid Cell Max's attack, Trunks punch Cell Max in the cheek with enough force to knock his head back, then kick Cell Max down to the ground. And while we haven't seen the result Goten is charging up an energy wave ready to blast the falling Cell Max.
So based upon this Krillin, Goten and Trunks are all confident they can take on an opponent who is giving the Gammas trouble (who are always at full power) when the Gammas fought on par with Ultimate Gohan and Piccolo. And we see that they can coordinate against Cell Max with Trunks managing to knock Cell Max around with his blows. When the Gammas have been unable to defeat Cell Max despite trying to do so ASAP. To top that all off, Trunks believes Piccolo would struggle against Hedo's androids by himself, when Piccolo was 2-C in the Moro Saga and I really doubt Trunks is totally ignorant of Piccolo's power.

With all that in mind, the scaling chain appears to be something like:

Prequel SS1 Trunks/Goten > SH SS1 Trunks/Goten ~ Gamma 1/2 (Post-fight) ~ Ultimate Gohan >> Gamma 1 (Pre-adapting) ~ SS1 Gohan ~ Ultimate Piccolo >> Piccolo (SH) ? Gohan (Moro) >/= Piccolo (Moro) >> Gohan (USS) >/= Kefla > Kale ~ CSSB Goku (USS)

So in conclusion, Manga SS1 Goten/Trunks may scale to Ultimate Gohan and the Gammas and the Dinodroid from the prequel may be as strong as the Gammas.
 
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CryoTheMayo said:
So, while we haven't seen the full fight yet I'm going to have some hot takes on the scaling.
Feats/Statements
  • Goten and Trunks in base form take a hit from Cell Max, with Bulma stating they haven't trained in over half a year due to being grounded, meaning they are weaker than they were in the prequel arc.
  • Despite being swatted aside, the two of them recover easily and reassure Piccolo that they can handle Cell Max for some time if they go Super Saiyan
  • Krillin who fought with them against the Dinodroid seems confident in their ability to handle the situation, this is when he knows the Gammas are struggling to put Cell Max down and knows they gave Piccolo and Gohan a tough fight.
  • That aside, Trunks does note that Cell Max is clumsy with Gamma 1 believing he doesn't know how to wield his power yet. This might seem like an anti-statement for scaling but the Gammas do not weaken with battle and are trying to beat Cell Max ASAP yet have failed to do so. Meaning Cell Max even now is too strong for them to defeat quickly.
  • In the previous link, we see SS1 Goten and Trunks coordinate to avoid Cell Max's attack, Trunks punch Cell Max in the cheek with enough force to knock his head back, then kick Cell Max down to the ground. And while we haven't seen the result Goten is charging up an energy wave ready to blast the falling Cell Max.
So based upon this Krillin, Goten and Trunks are all confident they can take on an opponent who is giving the Gammas trouble (who are always at full power) when the Gammas fought on par with Ultimate Gohan and Piccolo. And we see that they can coordinate against Cell Max with Trunks managing to knock Cell Max around with his blows. When the Gammas have been unable to defeat Cell Max despite trying to do so ASAP. To top that all off, Trunks believes Piccolo would struggle against Hedo's androids by himself, when Piccolo was 2-C in the Moro Saga and I really doubt Trunks is totally ignorant of Piccolo's power.

With all that in mind, the scaling chain appears to be something like:

Prequel SS1 Trunks/Goten > SH SS1 Trunks/Goten ~ Gamma 1/2 (Post-fight) ~ Ultimate Gohan >> Gamma 1 (Pre-adapting) ~ SS1 Gohan ~ Ultimate Piccolo >> Piccolo (SH) ? Gohan (Moro) >/= Piccolo (Moro) >> Gohan (USS) >/= Kefla > Kale ~ CSSB Goku (USS)

So in conclusion, Manga SS1 Goten/Trunks may scale to Ultimate Gohan and the Gammas and the Dinodroid from the prequel may be as strong as the Gammas.
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I'm so sorry I ever doubted you, Vizer, genuinely.
 
Aren't they...faster than light already on the wiki? Tho it should be better to get 23rd piccolo eye beams and king piccolo beams to light speed.
 
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