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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

MountainWine said:
How does range equate to not having infinite speed?
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Okay, let's go and review what I said again:
To use IT, Goku has to sense ki, but if sensing ki isn't infinite, it's limited. This is demonstrated when he couldn't locate New Planet Namek, but he was able to go to Kaio-sama's planet (in the afterlife) while Kaio-sama was sleeping.
and the afterlife is supposed to be "another dimension" with a different space and time, and let me clarify even more:
-Kaio sama was sleeping...so his ki was low.
-there are more living beings in new namek than in Kaio sama planet, so goku could feel the ki of many more entities.
you notice this problem?
 
Alexander said:
ah no he is not.
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broly is high 3-A. What are you talking about? Have you even seen his profile?
Alexander said:
yes he can.
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no, he cannot, according to the profiles, which you appear to not know about, Garou has finite speed, Broly does not. Garou cannot observe the movements of somebody 2 trillion times faster than he is, much less infinitely.
Alexander said:
not that much
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It would. His strength grows finitely. We call this math.
Alexander said:
Their ability is to copy and surpass the original skills
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Then I’ll wait for you to provide evidence that he can make radiation infinitely fast.
You were cooked the moment you started debating the infinitely weaker, infinitely less durable, and infinitely slower character.
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
Because immeasurable/infinite speeds makes no sense in any work of fiction, Sonic included.
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Sonic RESTORES SPACE AND TIME WITH HIS SPEED YOU, not even the same thing in here.
like immeasurable speed is "going beyond linear time"which is basically done by going to another space-time with speed or...time travel or another weird shenaninans...which Goku not only has not done, but he actively requires other objects to travel through time.
XXBenShapiroXx said:
Besides, IT is based on Goku's perception and ki sensing abilities. So your reaching all like you do with everything
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yes, if he has a limit on this stage of his ki sensing to the point he can't sense the ki of others IN THE SAME UNIVERSE, but he can in a quote (other dimension) then that pretty much means that the other dimension...is not even another dimension, just another location in the same universe.
 
Alexander said:
Okay, let's go and review what I said again:
To use IT, Goku has to sense ki, but if sensing ki isn't infinite, it's limited. This is demonstrated when he couldn't locate New Planet Namek, but he was able to go to Kaio-sama's planet (in the afterlife) while Kaio-sama was sleeping.
and the afterlife is supposed to be "another dimension" with a different space and time, and let me clarify even more:
-Kaio sama was sleeping...so his ki was low.
-there are more living beings in new namek than in Kaio sama planet, so goku could feel the ki of many more entities.
you notice this problem?
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That has nothing to do with speed at all….not just DB, tons of characters have sensing/detecting range vastly inferior to their speed. Lack of infinite sensing range does not mean lack of infinite speed.
 
Hasty12345 said:
No because none of that has anything to do with infinite speed.
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yes it has, because if Goku, can teleport to the afterlife, but it can't go travel to another planet in the same universe, this literraly causes that:
the universe is not infinite (Goku can travel to a quote on quote, other dimension, while still being unable to travel in the same universe just to go to another galaxy).
the afterlife is not another space-time (like there is already many contradictions to this anyway)
 
MountainWine said:
That has nothing to do with speed at all….not just DB, tons of characters have sensing/detecting range vastly inferior to their speed. Lack of infinite sensing range does not mean lack of infinite speed.
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it does if the universe is supposed to be infinite, and somehow goku has a hard time finding a planet, full of live, with many ki signatures that are similar to piccolo (just way way way way way weaker)but he can still go to another space-time?like you don't see problem with this?
 
Alexander said:
it does if the universe is supposed to be infinite, and somehow goku has a hard time finding a planet, full of live, with many ki signatures that are similar to piccolo (just way way way way way weaker)but he can still go to another space-time?like you don't see problem with this?
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Just make a crt
 
Alexander said:
Sonic RESTORES SPACE AND TIME WITH HIS SPEED YOU, not even the same thing in here.
like immeasurable speed is "going beyond linear time"which is basically done by going to another space-time with speed or...time travel or another weird shenaninans...which Goku not only has not done, but he actively requires other objects to travel through time.

yes, if he has a limit on this stage of his ki sensing to the point he can't sense the ki of others IN THE SAME UNIVERSE, but he can in a quote (other dimension) then that pretty much means that the other dimension...is not even another dimension, just another location in the same universe.
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Lmao you already got slapped in that YouTube comment section about how bad and baseless your arguements are. The after life and such are other space times, other dimensions, etc, and you keep using already debunked arguekents and grasping at straws.

Either make a CRT, or stop wasting our time with awful arguements
 
MountainWine said:
You might as well go create CRTs to change the stats and cosmology if you’re gonna spend this much time constantly bitching and crying about the accepted stats and cosmology.
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who is crying and bitching?i am just angry at how Dragon ball could not just be consistent with its own cosmology...IS NOT HARD EVEN
 
Alexander said:
it does if the universe is supposed to be infinite, and somehow goku has a hard time finding a planet, full of live, with many ki signatures that are similar to piccolo (just way way way way way weaker)but he can still go to another space-time?like you don't see problem with this?
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Not at all. Tons of characters in fiction can travel to alternate spacetime dimensions but cannot sense across vast distances in their home spacetime dimension.
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
Lmao you already got slapped in that YouTube comment section about how bad and baseless your arguements are. The after life and such are other space times, other dimensions, etc, and you keep using already debunked arguekents and grasping at straws.
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yeah because they have completely valid arguments
XXBenShapiroXx said:
Either make a CRT, or stop wasting our time with awful arguements
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in a discussion thread?about discussions?
 
It's pretty amazing how Alexander turns a blind eye to the radiation defect that takes a long time to work against weak characters and has a limited range, but he swears that the Garou's radiation will affect him moving at infinite speed, Garou's radiation is a joke compared to Broly's speed and tier
 
Alexander said:
Sonic RESTORES SPACE AND TIME WITH HIS SPEED YOU, not even the same thing in here.
like immeasurable speed is "going beyond linear time"which is basically done by going to another space-time with speed or...time travel or another weird shenaninans...which Goku not only has not done, but he actively requires other objects to travel through time.
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Sonic needed to travel on a rocket to get to the Wisp planet in Team Sonic racing so obviously he’s not infinite speed. This must also mean that chaos control has a limited range since he didn’t want to use it as well🥱
 
MountainWine said:
Not at all. Tons of characters in fiction can travel to alternate spacetime dimensions but cannot sense across vast distances in their home spacetime dimension.
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except they don't do it like Goku does it and you know that Goku's thing is something very very very very specific to him.
 
Alexander said:
in a discussion thread?about discussions?
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When the discussion in question is one that has been had continuously throughout many years and pretty much everyone is tired of it, specially when the wiki has reached a conclusion already

Yeah, might be a good idea to move on to other talks
 
Genuinely either make a CRT or stop bothering all of us with your delusional takes because we've been super patient so far but this keeps being an issue
 
RanHover60 said:
Sonic needed to travel on a rocket to get to the Wisp planet in Team Sonic racing so obviously he’s not infinite speed.
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oh yeah lets say that to the character that can't fly, o wait, Isn't Goku supposed to need to use a ship to move around the universe because the guy can't breathe in space?
RanHover60 said:
This must also mean that chaos control has a limited range since he didn’t want to use it as well🥱
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oh yeah lets forget the ability that is very specifically stated to only work if you have a CHAOS EMERALD...
 
Alexander said:
who is crying and bitching?i am just angry at how Dragon ball could not just be consistent with its own cosmology...IS NOT HARD EVEN
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You are bitching. You might as well be crying. You do this virtually every time when you talk about the stats and cosmology of DB. I disagree with a lot of the stats across many verses on the wiki. Difference is I don’t jump on the verse discussion threads and cry about them with half assed arguments.

Of course you are free to discuss this here. However it is tiring and repetitive. You might as well try to change it if you’re gonna spend this much time seething about the accepted stats.
Alexander said:
except they don't do it like Goku does it and you know that Goku's thing is something very very very very specific to him.
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How they do it doesn’t matter. Characters can possess interdimensional range without possessing universal or even planetary range.
 
MountainWine said:
You are bitching. You might as well be crying. You do this virtually every time when you talk about the stats and cosmology of DB. I disagree with a lot of the stats across many verses on the wiki. Difference is I don’t jump on the verse discussion threads and cry about them with half assed arguments.

Of course you are free to discuss this here. However it is tiring and repetitive. You might as well try to change it if you’re gonna spend this much time seething about the accepted stats.

How they do it doesn’t matter. Characters can possess interdimensional range without possessing universal or even planetary range.
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Okay, tone it down now.
 
Alexander said:
oh yeah lets say that to the character that can't fly, o wait, Isn't Goku supposed to need to use a ship to move around the universe because the guy can't breathe in space?.
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Why doesn’t Sonic use his dimensional travel to get there with infinite speed? That must mean rocket>>>>>> Sonic and he isn’t infinite in speed.
Alexander said:
oh yeah lets forget the ability that is very specifically stated to only work if you have a CHAOS EMERALD...
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In SA2, he could use it with a fake chaos emerald that tails made. Why didn’t Sonic ask Tails to make another emerald? Is he stupid or something? No, it must mean that the rocket was the best and fastest option truthfully, undeniably, quintessentially, definitely.

Cope and seethe. Bow down to the true fastest thing alive, the rocket from Team Sonic Racing and maybe talk about Sonic the Sonic general and not the DB one
 
RanHover60 said:
Why doesn’t Sonic use his dimensional travel to get there with infinite speed? That must mean rocket>>>>>> Sonic and he isn’t infinite in speed.
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Because as the name suggests, it is dimensional travel, not interspace travel (and again he can't fly)and is not even the same logic with the IT.
RanHover60 said:
In SA2, he could use it with a fake chaos emerald that tails made. Why didn’t Sonic ask Tails to make another emerald? Is he stupid or something? No, it must mean that the rocket was the best and fastest option truthfully, undeniably, quintessentially, definitely.
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they never used the fake emeralds again until like generations, so this is pretty much irrelevant.
RanHover60 said:
Cope and seethe. Bow down to the true fastest thing alive, the rocket from Team Sonic Racing and maybe talk about Sonic the Sonic general and not the DB one
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oh yeah
 
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