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Introduction
hello, how are you today?now, all the ones who are aware of this verse already pretty much know that the afterlife is a separated space-time from the living world, and thus makes the each of the 12 (or 13 or whatever number at this point the multiverse is) low 2-C.i have problems with this, but i will make my points and ideas clear here.
so lets go with my arguments and then i will respond to the counterarguments.
the explanation
Now with the explanation of why the afterlife is not a space and time separate from the mortal world and just another location in the same universe.Now let's talk about time, because the afterlife is considered another space and time due to its numerous statements of being separated from the mortal world... despite being "separated" it still has the same flow of time has the normal universe, in the saiyan saga Goku mentions having been running for six months in the snake way while in the same chapter it is said by Piccolo six months have possed for Gohan to stop being a cry baby, it is also said by Kaio sama that the saiyans will arrive in 158 days and then later it is mentioned that forty days passed after Goku started training, the same arc also has Goku traveling across the snake way and it took hours to finally cross all of it, and before someone tries to say that it got Retconned in the buu saga by the statement from Goku about the afterlife having no concept of time (i will debunk that later).
in the same buu saga, it is said that one day has passed after Goku left and went to the Supreme Kai planet (and Gohan trained with the Z sword), the ritual to unleash the potential of someone takes 5 hours for the ritual and 20 for the power up and if someone remembers correctly, buu took one day to kill most of the human population and then had to wait for a hour so the kids ended their training (Although in the end only half an hour ends up passing, Piccolo manages to make Buu waste time so that the boys can finish their training).
basically the same time passed between this two realms to the point that it is important for the narrative.
And yes, I'm aware that Goku said that the concept of time doesn't occur in the afterlife, but this lacks context, the context being that Goku says that the Super saiyan 3 takes to much energy and using it in the world of the living will cost him his time on earth (basically if Goku is dead, he won't lose energy using the super saiyan 3...after all the dead can't die of hunger or age, they are dead) even Goku later states that he didn't have problems using the super saiyan 3 while he was dead, meaning that this is clearly him reffering to the fact that, while dead, he can use the super saiyan 3 without having to worry for the energy, not because of the afterlife being actually timeless or something.
Now I could end here...but to be honest I won't, because now i will have to talk about the Instant transmission and why it makes clear even more that the afterlife is not another space-time.
Instant transmission
before the Cell games start, the z fighters needed a new god of earth (mostly because of the dragon balls)and they thought of going to the new namek planet and take one of them with them...but there is a problem, Goku tried to search for the planet after sensing the Namekians' ki...in the end he couldn't and decided to go to the afterlife to ask Kaio sama about the directions (he was able to teleport there...while Kaio sama was sleeping)and yes, he ends up finding the planet anyway.But this is evidently a demonstration that there is a range limit for IT, specifically, Goku's ability to sense ki, to the point where he needed help, going to "another dimension" while Kaio sama had very low ki (because he was sleeping).
now this will be considered just a example of a inconsistency in the power of characters that are powerful but can't do certain things, on the same level of a character being unable to end a fight or a conflict instantly even if their speed is FTL or something like that...but you also have to remember that Goku can't feel the ki of those who are in another dimension (in the time chamber) and this clearly makes you Raise an eyebrow? Why can't Goku sense the ki of someone in the time chamber. but he can sense the ki of someone who is in the afterlife, which is a supposed other dimension that transcends dimensions (yes, I'll get to that later).
And while one would say it just ends there, later in Super, Goku said he can't sense ki signatures that far away (in the context of the scene, it was the planet Zoon that was destroyed recently)and even Meerus clarifies that Moro is going for planets that are far away from their immediate reach (again, clearly also counting on Goku IT).
then in the Granohal arc, Goku teleported to multiple locations so he could get away from Gas and even Whis (you know, the ANGEL)said that Goku is in a distance too far away from Gas to teleport, so he flew to the planet cereal because that was the only thing he could do.
now, with this out of the way...lets go with the responses to the counterarguments.
Counterarguments
The state of the afterlife being another dimension is mostly said in guides and not in the original material, they are also old has hell (and outdated too), but i will be kind and say they are valid anyway.
Basically there are too many contradictions with the same guides saying that the afterlife is another dimension, but the series clearly gives you clues that the afterlife is in the same universe, from the time being shared to the characters with IT (Goku specifically) being able to go to the afterlife but not being able to go through the universe because they have a range limit (and when dealing with another space-time...they can't directly feel ki at all).
This justification feels very weak considering that the same authors do know how to deal with other dimensions, literally the time chamber was the best way they could give that example (and in fact it is the only one)which means that they are pretty much aware of this, but still decided that the afterlife shares the same space-time anyway.
no? why would we ignore this as a narrative problem if the narrative clearly established that the afterlife is not separated from the universe space-time-wise, but by location, in fact saying that it is a narrative problem would be saying that the Saiyans can breathe in space even when the narrative itself tells you that they can't, when the narrative says something and it is consistent about it, then why are we ignoring it?if the narrative tells you that a character died in a specific way, but another character tells you that they did in another way, why do you believe the character that tells you something different when the narrative, the characters and etc basically don't tell you that?yeah makes sense (SARCASM)
And how does it make more sense for the afterlife to be another space-time despite the contrary? In fact, why does the existence of the afterlife make sense at all?everything in this series is science fiction and fantasy, why are we saying that the afterlife not being another space-time makes no sense?when a Author can do almost anything it wants (if they have good writing skills off course)then they can pretty much do whatever, if they don't want the spiritual dimension to be another space-time, is not our problem.
I'm aware of that, but I also know that those verses applied it well anyway (in fact I've already repeated several times that the time chamber was done well) those verses don't have direct things about their other space-times sharing the same temporal flow at that level, not to mention that they don't have teleportation or dimensional travel has a range limit, they only do this thanks to specific objects or powers that are circumstantial...while IT is not one of them.
Conclusion
If I need to highlight something else, I'll do it later (that will be my phrase "I will do it later"), but yes, for everyone to know, the afterlife in the dragon ball verse is not another space-time, is just another location where the dead arrive and thats it, which means that the Low 2-C for the macrocosms should be gone and they will stay below at tier 3 (High universal to universal+ probably).thank you for your attention
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