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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

Hasty12345 said:
I don’t think they’re relevant. Retcons exist. Via official statements Toriyama put more effort into Daima than recent Super content.
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man, the excuse of Retcon does not work here, because HOW THE **** DOES VEGETA HAVE SUPER SAIYAN 3 and he never uses it in all of the fights he has???you know where it could be good to use it?against trunks, but no, apparently Vegeta never has it in super, but now he has it on Daima...don't make me talk about SSJ4, man that is even worst.
Hasty12345 said:
It’s canon, it’s intended to be canon, the author arguably said it’s more canon than super.
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then the author, with all intends and purposes, ****** it up really bad.
Hasty12345 said:
Who are we to argue Toriyama is wrong?
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man, stop saying that we can't call him out for being wrong, Authors are humans, like any other person is, they can be wrong, and saying they are wrong is not a bad thing, in this case, Toriyama is wrong for saying it is canon...at the same time, screws it very much.
 
The author cannot be wrong as to what is canon to their own work.

This isn’t Toriyama saying “Goku can defeat Beerus”, it Toriyama saying he put more effort into Daima than (at the very least) recent Super content.

If Toriyama’s involvement is a metric of canonicity, Daima is more canon than Super.

It is primary canon whether you like it or not and “retcons” is not an excuse, it is a fact.
 
Hasty12345 said:
If Toriyama’s involvement is a metric of canonicity
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I dunno who the **** said that, especially considering Toriyama authored Neko Majin, produced the original draft for the Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return!! OVA, was heavily involved in rewriting the screenplay for the Battle of Gods film, and directly supervised every individual story element of Dragon Ball Online.
 
Hasty12345 said:
SSJ4 got y’all acting scared of the inevitable SSJ5 reveal in Super.
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NO, is not that the problem, the problem is that SSJ4 is canon, but it is never used, mentioned, or anything, in Dragon ball super, if they use it there and then say it always has them, it will double the fact that this series is really bad in its story.
 
Hasty12345 said:
It is primary canon whether you like it or not and “retcons” is not an excuse, it is a fact.
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IS A EXCUSE IF IT CONTRADICTS BASICALLY MANY THINGS.
why does vegeta never use the form?why Goku never uses ssj4?why did he say it was "his final transformation"reffering to ssj3 when he already had the fourth one, why is kibito and Nahare fused again?why no one brings up the demon realm in their flashbacks?(this is more understandable but again)
 
Alexander said:
NO, is not that the problem, the problem is that SSJ4 is canon, but it is never used, mentioned, or anything, in Dragon ball super, if they use it there and then say it always has them, it will double the fact that this series is really bad in its story.
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Does MSSJGSSJ4UI scare you that much?
 
Hasty12345 said:
Does MSSJGSSJ4UI scare you that much?
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man no, it does not, i don't even care about that, i care about this because it is something so vital for the story, its lore, more than Goku having transformations...but if you are going to bring a transformation you never use it in almost all the series...to this?man that must be some mediocre thing
 
StekFence said:
genuinely, what would you do if it was a retcon
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What else did I say? Basically, I said that this series is mediocre, which it is, and all the jokes about "Father Ball" or "Dragon Ball, the best shonen in history" are just that, pure memes and jokes, the series is on its core, at best, mediocre going to good, at worst?mediocre going to bad.
 
Hasty12345 said:
Didn’t the Toei website post a comment from Toriyama where he said he put more effort into Daima then usual, wouldn’t that constitute it’d at least as canon as DBS?

I don’t really see how Daima could be secondary canon.
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I mean, Super as been out longer than Daima, so is more Canon due to being more estabilished
Alexander said:
NO, is not that the problem, the problem is that SSJ4 is canon, but it is never used, mentioned, or anything, in Dragon ball super, if they use it there and then say it always has them, it will double the fact that this series is really bad in its story.
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Alexander said:
IS A EXCUSE IF IT CONTRADICTS BASICALLY MANY THINGS.
why does vegeta never use the form?why Goku never uses ssj4?why did he say it was "his final transformation"reffering to ssj3 when he already had the fourth one, why is kibito and Nahare fused again?why no one brings up the demon realm in their flashbacks?(this is more understandable but again)
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Alexander said:
man no, it does not, i don't even care about that, i care about this because it is something so vital for the story, its lore, more than Goku having transformations...but if you are going to bring a transformation you never use it in almost all the series...to this?man that must be some mediocre thing
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Hasty is memeing you now, so could you stop repeating stuff? You already said that is not Canon because of the transformations.

Alexander said:
What else did I say? Basically, I said that this series is mediocre,
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You already think is mediocre, so that changes basically nothing.

Try to say is bad writting that the series is not being consistent, this is a new opinion for you atleast.
 
Alexander said:
What else did I say? Basically, I said that this series is mediocre, which it is, and all the jokes about "Father Ball" or "Dragon Ball, the best shonen in history" are just that, pure memes and jokes, the series is on its core, at best, mediocre going to good, at worst?mediocre going to bad.
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It’s not bad, or even mediocre
 
Alexander said:
explain to me how it is not any of those?
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Oh I thought we were just asserting things. And if we aren’t, it’s success speaks for itself. And even if it didn’t (which it does), your opinion wouldn’t actually change how good it is or isn’t.
And as for why I think it’s good, I like the fights, I like the techniques, the forms, many of the villains, I like the main character, I like the supporting cast, and I like the hype moments like Gohan ssj2 vs cell, God goku vs beerus, or anything involving gogeta.
 
StekFence said:
And as for why I think it’s good, I like the fights, I like the techniques, the forms, many of the villains, I like the main character, I like the supporting cast, and I like the hype moments like Gohan ssj2 vs cell, God goku vs beerus, or anything involving gogeta.
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ok
 
StekFence said:
If we are arguing based on age, couldn’t you say that Daima is actually advantaged by being new? Since it would be the more “up to date” version
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It is a argument you could make yeah. But still, Super have the benefit of still be ongoing, since Daima just ended.
 
New headcannon, Vegeta now has ptsd from the number 3 and won't name his ssj5 "Ultra Vegeta 3", but something else
 
I'm not going to lie: I'm a bit disappointed that Super Saiyan 4 was something that Goku obtained between the end of Buu Saga and the start of Daima instead of it being something obtained by Neva's magic. Because I had this little head canon theory that canon Super Saiyan 4 was basically the Saiyan equivalent to Piccolo's Orange form.

I don't know, I thought it would've been neat to have this concept where Namekian magic, or the usage of the Dragon Balls, can allow a race to go beyond the limits of their species and obtain a form which acts as like the pinnacle of that potential. But I guess Super Saiyan 4 being something obtained through training isn't too bad either.
 
My opinions on Daima haven't changed, still think its largely good, but I definitely think it would greatly benefit from a season 2 to explain shit, explore shit, and actually do something with the fusion bugs.
 
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