Alien x vs Yhwach

[Greenshifter]

It’s classified as low godly since none of these guys have standard bodies and only exist as souls so Bleach Low Godly is essentially mid godly.

Ehhhh, someone could have started with that? Stomp then I guess, or incon if Yhwach can't do anything either?

Higher D doesn't change anything, if he erases the multiverse then maybe Yhwach ends up in a death-loop but that seems like a bit much for Ben, even when bloodlusted.

 

[Delta333]

Sure, list them.

Almost any ability from Sternritter's Schrift' key will work since AX doesn't have any hax resistance on his profile

 

[Loyd]

AX's mindhax doesn't work right?

how strong is his mindhax/what does it do exactly?

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Probably should have but I figured since Bleach was nothing but souls scrapping the whole time it didn’t really need to be said. Yhwach does have his own body and soul EE with Zanka no Tachi, can poison with Deathdealing, Dura neg with X Axis, inflicting any wounds he takes back with Balance etc.

 

[Delta333]

how strong is his mindhax/what does it do exactly?

Even if his mind hax is too strong that can bypass resistance,yhwach still has passive power null/reactive evolution,also AX lacks NPI feat

 

[Loyd]

Probably should have but I figured since Bleach was nothing but souls scrapping the whole time it didn’t really need to be said. Yhwach does have his own body and soul EE with Zanka no Tachi, can poison with Deathdealing, Dura neg with X Axis, inflicting any wounds he takes back with Balance etc.

also equalise damage with balance, all forms of absorption black goop seems most likely the wincon
but if EE is 4D can almighty really come back from that?

edit: yea if mind hax isnt 4d he power nulls, reactive evolution to neg it

 

[Delta333]

also equalise damage with balance, all forms of absorption black goop seems most likely the wincon
but if EE is 4D can almighty really come back from that?

Higher D hax has nothing to do with regen negation

 

[Loyd]

welp... from the page alien x has no wincon and his susceptable to most of the quincy schrift hax. stomp in yhwach favor?

 

[Greenshifter]

how strong is his mindhax/what does it do exactly?

Mind controls 6 people.

Probably should have but I figured since Bleach was nothing but souls scrapping the whole time it didn’t really need to be said

I mean I kinda assumed that his low-godly was like... actual low-godly.

Yhwach does have his own body and soul EE with Zanka no Tachi

Fair, for the body part (unless I argue Annihilaargh to be EE but this thread has gone on long enough)

can poison with Deathdealing

Eh alien physiology + regen counters?

Dura neg with X Axis

Regen

inflicting any wounds he takes back with Balance etc.

Does this imply AX will EE himself? I assume it's passive?

also AX lacks NPI feat

I doubt that matters for mindhax, also apparently Yhwach is physical?

all forms of absorption black goop

Yhwach would probably get the personalities upon absorption and thus become indecisive.

but if EE is 4D can almighty really come back from that?

Yeah.

power nulls

I mean literally nulling AX’s power wouldn’t work since his power is also outside of range. But I guess nulling upon it affecting him would work.

 

[Greenshifter]

But yeah all in all probably still stomp for Yhwach, but not as big as you think and not something a few CRT’s can’t fix. (Although it’ll take a long time)

And tbf if we’re going hypotheticals, I think you guys deserve the low 2-C .

 

[Loyd]

Hold on it says on gerard page he regens from the reishi around him the links are dead is this true? or a wording thing
(I was under the impression it was the miracle power that brought him back might be nlf tho)

Technically if alien x EE yhwach low godly away along with the the multiverse he cant come back using gerard mid godly

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Issue is that reishi exists outside of the universes in Bleach so ........

 

[Loyd]

Issue is that reishi exists outside of the universes in Bleach so ........

Oh nvm

 

[Greenshifter]

Technically if alien x EE yhwach low godly away along with the the multiverse he cant come back using gerard mid godly

True although that just seems like a bridge too far even for bloodlusted Ben, he'll try to EE him regularly and if that won't work then I don't think he'll try to EE the multiverse after that.

Issue is that reishi exists outside of the universes in Bleach so ........

Technically AX has enough range to EE the entire cosmology. Unless you're arguing he can't EE the reishi?

 

[Delta333]

I doubt that matters for mindhax, also apparently Yhwach is physical?

He is spiritual energy so AX need to interact with both spirit/soul and energy if he want to affect yhwach I guess

 

[Greenshifter]

He is spiritual energy so AX need to interact with both spirit/soul and energy if he want to affect yhwach I guess

If he's physical spiritual energy that makes up a soul... doesn't that make him the exact same as an anodite? They are physical energy beings made of pure mana which is the substance of souls.

Also a mind is non-physical by default, Yhwach's mind is the same as someone else's.

 

[Delta333]

They are physical energy beings made of pure mana which is the substance of souls.

I dont think it's physical,yhwach profile said he is incoporeality due to this

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

I dont think it's physical,yhwach profile said he is incoporeality due to this

Incorporeality (After resurrecting himself, Yhwach became a mass of spiritual energy)

 

[Greenshifter]

Hmm maybe I can give that to anodites then and specify that they are physical most if not all the time.

 

[Greenshifter]

Kon could hit Soul Reaper Ichigo with chairs and desks and Chad could hit a Hollow with a street sign/lamp post?

Although the same probably applies to Yhwach then?

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Technically AX has enough range to EE the entire cosmology. Unless you're arguing he can't EE the reishi?

AX using EE on all of the reishi outside of the universe wouldn’t actually work since reishi is intangible spiritual matter. The only reason strong souls aren’t intangible is because they have so much reiryoku (different from reishi) which powers their reiatsu that then affects the material world. Note that some reishi also exists as spirit ribbons which are intangible to other reishi beings and can only be interacted with good reiatsu (different from reiryoku and reishi) control.

• Reishi = spiritual matter. Basically normal matter but intangible ghost version
• Reiryoku = spiritual energy. Intangible ghost energy
• Reiatsu = spiritual pressure. The “physical” effect that reiryoku has on other spiritual beings and if strong enough, physical matter as well.

 

[Delta333]

Although the same probably applies to Yhwach then?

He is tangible before ressurecting himself,after ressurecting he is incoporeality due to being spiritual energy

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

He is tangible before ressurecting himself,after ressurecting he is incoporeality due to being spiritual energy

IIRC this is what Incorporeal Yhwach looks like (This was after Ichigo tag teamed him with Aizen)

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Wow this thread is still goin' on.....

 

[Musaabu02]

Big NLF.

Lmao,azamath(that grey matter stated it) alien X simply bends reality to his will.

 

[GreatIskandar14045]

Lmao,azamath(that grey matter stated it) alien X simply bends reality to his will.

Yeah, that's what we called as reality warping, we don't assume a character is Tier 0 or posseses any kinds of hax because "He can do everything at will".

 

[Musaabu02]

explain how it is relevant

With his reality warping he can just trans mutate yhwach or blinks him out of existence.

 

[Musaabu02]

Yeah, that's what we call as reality warping, we don't assume a character is Tier 0 or posseses any kind of hax because "He can do everything at will".

I know what reality warping is plus his is on a universal+ scale

 

[AppleLord]

How is it inaccurate when

Kon could hit Soul Reaper Ichigo with chairs and desks and Chad could hit a Hollow with a street sign/lamp post?

Have you watch/read the Fullbring arc? All of those objects and every piece of matter in the living world contains a tiny souls/reishi which allows them to hit souls.

Chairs, Telephone poles, etc have souls too in the verse.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Have you watch/read the Fullbring arc? All of those objects and every piece of matter in the living world contains a tiny souls/reishi which allows them to hit souls.

I am aware but even with that most Bleach Profiles were either never given Intangibility for being souls or had it removed from their Profiles

 

[Greenshifter]

azamath(that grey matter stated it)

Imagine getting both Azmuth's name wrong and not knowing the name of his species.

 

[Delta333]

Lmao

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Imagine getting both Azmuth's name wrong and not knowing the name of his species.

Might be Azmuth's weird, undisclosed relative

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

With his reality warping he can just trans mutate yhwach or blinks him out of existence.

Every power on this wiki is tied to feats, and this is even more the case with RW. So you kinda gonna need to prove that he can transmute people with it.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Standard souls are non physical, strong souls are physical.

Why is AX’s soul outside of Yhwach’s range anyway? His body is right there and sure there is a universe/pocket dimension in it but Yhwach has the range to hit that.

Because again the soul crush doesn't kill you immediately (it takes like 2 or 3 seconds) especially when you are far away from the soul crush range which is the case for Alien x as both characters start at 4km away from each other due to battle assumptions IIRC

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Again no it doesn't. It's instant death for those with a weak soul.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Because again the soul crush doesn't kill you immediately (it takes like 2 or 3 seconds) especially when you are far away from the soul crush range which is the case for Alien x as both characters start at 4km away from each other due to battle assumptions IIRC

Ignoring the fact that Greenshifter already answered my issue, Yama reiatsu crushed Hollows in another city 20 km or so away and they dropped dead right there.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Yama reiatsu crushed Hollows in another city 20 km or so away and they dropped dead right there.

Which of course got contradicted like 2 or 3 times in the manga, not the "instant kill" got contradicted 3 times in the manga but even the soul crush range being at 20km got also contradicted many times

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

That's your opinion and it's fine. But it's not a fact. without feats, he just instantly dies.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

How many times have you seen Yama reiatsu crush stuff? Cuz it happens twice and only twice, Nanao at the end of SS and the Hollows at the start of FKT. Both times, beings with resistance to soul hax get dropped, one is having thoughts of her death and can't even think properly, collapsing even when she is removed from the range of his reiatsu, the other just collapse and die. All of them > Tatsuki > hundreds of souls. And Yama just killed them by accident.