Alien X vs Xeno Goku

[Greenshifter]

I'm assuming Goku's IT is cross-dimensional (so anywhere within the same Macrocosm) is that all right for you?

 

[Greenshifter]

@Bad maybe not EE'd, but mindhaxed tho lol, who's got the dragon now

 

[Badrimoine2019]

Also can't Alien x just erase the super dragon balls?

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

Yeah good luck for summoning super shenron it's like Alien x would let him, also isn't super shenron just 2-C? He would get EE by Alien x before he can do anything

Don't know about that as this is Xeno Super Shenron

 

[Greenshifter]

@Bad If he knows about them then possibly

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

I'm assuming Goku's IT is cross-dimensional (so anywhere within the same Macrocosm) is that all right for you?

Ya, Xeno Goku can IT to the crack of time, which is outside of the multiverse so range isn't a problem. Well according to Xeno's profile he can cause dimensional rifts and destroy space-time

 

[Greenshifter]

@Shubham Ah now we're talking.

 

[Greenshifter]

Here is the thing, are the 12 universes different space-time continuums?

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

So any other wincons for Alien X?

 

[Greenshifter]

Outlasting Goku, Goku's only got one wincon and if AX keeps teleporting away it's incon OvO.

 

[Badrimoine2019]

Don't know about that as this is Xeno Super Shenron

but still Alien x can just erase the super dragon balls and that's it

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

Also can't Alien x just erase the super dragon balls?

Out of it's power

 

[Greenshifter]

EE ignores durability, the balls need resistance.

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

but still Alien x can just erase the super dragon balls and that's it
Ye he never shown to do somthing you're just assuming

 

[Greenshifter]

No EE is on his page and we've had multiple threads about it with main Ben 10 opponent conceding in the end, EE is there and stays there. It is pretty out of character but by the time Goku summons Shenron it could be in-character since the fight will have been going on for a while then.

 

[Planck69]

Outlasting Goku, Goku's only got one wincon and if AX keeps teleporting away it's incon OvO.

I both love and hate that this is a viable win-con nowadays....

 

[Greenshifter]

Yeah but only a coward would do that, so this is a legit win-con for Ben cause he got nothing to prove and just banks it and drinks a Mr. Smoothy lol.

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

Yeah but only a coward would do that, so this is a legit win-con for Ben cause he got nothing to prove and just banks it and drinks a Mr. Smoothy lol. </div>

How? his best abilities are resisted by Xenoku well including his BFR to the Forge

 

[Greenshifter]

Goku still has to hit him, if cartoons have taught me anything it's that you can't hit someone running away from you.

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

No EE is on his page and we've had multiple threads about it with main Ben 10 opponent conceding in the end, EE is there and stays there. It is pretty out of character but by the time Goku summons Shenron it could be in-character since the fight will have been going on for a while then.

Didn't replied that to you bro.

Btw I asked Dragomer about this he said

Shenlongs die only after their creater dies well we don't know who created SDB although other way is wishing for SDB to erase itself so ya. Plus Shenlong can outdo Omni Kings eraser

 

[Planck69]

How? his best abilities are resisted by Xenoku well including his BFR to the Forge

The joke is that Alien X could just keep teleporting between universes until Son Goku dies of old age. I doubt this is viable in a match since it falls under self BFR but it's pretty funny to think about.

 

[Greenshifter]

Also you didn't answer my question, since the Null Void is also outside the time-stream and thus at the same range as the Crack of Time yet people who can access the Null Void still can't access the Forge.

 

[Greenshifter]

He has to portal between universes, not teleport I think. Also if Goku follows him then both are BFR'd so it's still incon, yeey technicalities!

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

Goku still has to hit him, if cartoons have taught me anything it's that you can't hit someone running away from you.

Running away from someone who can just use instant teleportation

 

[Greenshifter]

Also the reason the Forge is inaccessible is because of this.

 

[Doorinmyhouse]

doesnt xeno goku need to collect the 7 dragon balls to summon shenron? or does he have them on him all the time?

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

Also you didn't answer my question, since the Null Void is also outside the time-stream and thus at the same range as the Crack of Time yet people who can access the Null Void still can't access the Forge.

How is that rule even going to apply to Xeno GOku does anyone in Ben 10 even have similar range as Xeno Goku's.?

Not to forget they never shown Goku's limit while using IT so I really don't know

 

[The_Calaca]

Celestialsapiens only I guess.

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

The joke is that Alien X could just keep teleporting between universes until Son Goku dies of old age. I doubt this is viable in a match since it falls under self BFR but it's pretty funny to think about.

What's stopping Xeno Goku from teleporting to Alien X and catching him and also trapping him in his dimension even for a limited time.

 

[Greenshifter]

Maltruant can move across the time-stream with his portals and another elevator can let you move between timelines. Now I know Dragon Ball's time stream should be bigger I think but I'm wondering if that matters since both the Crack of Time and the Null Void are outside the time-stream so you'd need similar range to access them right? Basically DB's multiverse is a lot of timelines and outside of that the Crack of time. While Ben 10's multiverse is less timelines and outside of that multiple dimensions with their own timestream.

 

[Doorinmyhouse]

well, Celestialsapiens can leave the Forge of Creation as they please, otherwise all of them would be there, which isnt the case.

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

Which wouldn't matter as Goku can do the same as there no evidence of Goku's limit regarding IT

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

Maltruant can move across the time-stream with his portals and another elevator can let you move between timelines. Now I know Dragon Ball's time stream should be bigger I think but I'm wondering if that matters since both the Crack of Time and the Null Void are outside the time-stream so you'd need similar range to access them right? Basically DB's multiverse is a lot of timelines and outside of that the Crack of time. While Ben 10's multiverse is less timelines and outside of that multiple dimensions with their own timestream.

Well.

Multiversal in a verse where "Every Possibility" is it's "number" of timelines

 

[Doorinmyhouse]

Nope, we dont just assume Goku can teleport anywhere no matter where it is, because he hasnt been shown to have a limit. That is a no limit fallacy, we can do the same for Alien X. Every possibility is vague, doesnt suggest infinite anyway.

 

[Planck69]

Nope, we dont just assume Goku can teleport anywhere no matter where it is, because he hasnt been shown to have a limit. That is a no limit fallacy, we can do the same for Alien X. Every possibility is vague, doesnt suggest infinite anyway.

He's capable of travelling anywhere in the DBH multiverse, one which is orders of magnitude larger than the Ben 10 one as it is currently. So Xenoku would actually have the massive range advantage in this case.

Every possibility isn't infinite, just very possible variation of the universe throughout past, present and future. Basically the highest level of 2-B achievable.

 

[Doorinmyhouse]

ok, his range is better, what does that have to do with Forge of creation? the problem isnt range, it's the fact that you cant even enter the place because it is out of sync with time. other characters with universal+ teleportation/ portal creation such as Eon and Maltruant cant enter the place at all

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

Someone remind me what the forge of creation is being brought up for

 

[Planck69]

ok, his range is better, what does that have to do with Forge of creation? the problem isnt range, it's the fact that you cant even enter the place because it is out of sync with time. other characters with universal+ teleportation/ portal creation such as Eon and Maltruant cant enter the place at all

Realms outside the flow of time are DBHs bread and butter, I don't see why this is different. Not to mention the two people you bring up as examples have piss poor range in comparison to Xenoku.

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

ok, his range is better, what does that have to do with Forge of creation? the problem isnt range, it's the fact that you cant even enter the place because it is out of sync with time. other characters with universal+ teleportation/ portal creation such as Eon and Maltruant cant enter the place at all

You just answered you're own question Eon and Maitruant have universal+ portal creation while Xeno Goku has Multiversal

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

anyway Goku FRA