Alien X vs Xeno Goku

[Greenshifter]

Also here is the black hole.

 

[The_Calaca]

Xenoku belongs to an alternate timeline. You can't use DBS because he only went through the BoG events in his story.

 

[Greenshifter]

I'm thinking limits of IT in DBS apply to limits of IT in DBZ apply to limits of IT in Xenoverse.

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

@Shubham I think so, it makes sense that if it's difficult to get in somewhere that it's also difficult to get out, Kevin got out because he maybe absorbed the Map of Infinity or Paradox helped him probably. Even if Goku got out, how would he find his way back to the right universe?

Shenlong or contacting Superme Kai of Time

 

[The_Calaca]

If you want to play that, Gokuper felt Gohan's power from Bills' planet when it became high enough to be detected. Inconsistent with what he said about not being able to reach Bills' signature, but he did it regardless.

What anti-feat you're talking about?

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

Goku calls space Uber or shenlong. Also what's stopping Xeno Goku to just break Alien X's black hole with shock wave creation

 

[Greenshifter]

here is ToP Goku being unable to IT under extreme gravity.

 

[The_Calaca]

That's a feat for the Pretty Black Hole.

Edit: @Shub Nothing. Wank, I guess.

 

[Greenshifter]

Bills' planet is still closer to the universe than another parallel universe is to the main universe.

 

[The_Calaca]

Where's the thread for the Black Hole?

 

[Greenshifter]

You just went there?

 

[Greenshifter]

Is it a feat for the black hole itself? It's just extreme gravity right?

 

[Greenshifter]

@Shubham GG's attack went through it so I don't think it will work.

 

[Planck69]

@Shubham GG's attack went through it so I don't think it will work.

Couldn't that just be because GG was weaker? Not sure about here.

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

@Shubham GG's attack went through it so I don't think it will work.

It can especially Xenoku has Spatial Manipulation

 

[Badrimoine2019]

Couldn't that just be because GG was weaker? Not sure about here.

No its because GG didn't think of teleporting or anything

 

[The_Calaca]

No, the thread where the properties for the Black Hole are listed.

No, it's a Black Hole.

 

[Greenshifter]

I'm kinda lost, you mean the page for black hole properties?

 

[The_Calaca]

The properties of AX's Black Hole.

 

[Greenshifter]

Here is the OG thread and you already saw the other one, the other stuff is someone asking Liger if Atomic-X's feat is black hole creation and Liger answering yes, I think so and then incorporating that in his wiki.

 

[Greenshifter]

That's all really for properties, there is literally a gif next to it to compare it, Galactic Gladiator's attacks go through it as they would with a realistic black hole and since Alien X has 4-D powers we can assume it works on a 4-D character like a 3-D black hole on a 3-D character. Besides the singularity itself is a 0-dimensional point so there are already several degrees of infinity between the singularity and a 3-D being.

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

We cannot prove something out of assumption

 

[Greenshifter]

Quoting FRIMI: "I mean, there's really no reason to think that a black hole is confined to the third dimention, right? Black holes are really just what happens when an object's density reaches such a point that it colapses in on itself due to its own gravity then the gravity increases the density creating a feedback loop, and we know that this is roughly how Ben 10 black holes work because thats essentially what Gravatack did to create a black hole. Density and gravity still have meaning in higher dimentions and a threshhold from which an object becomes a black hole should still exist in higher and lower planes. Consedering that this black hole was manufactured by another 2-B entity, it seems reasonable to me that whatever level of dimentionality Celestialsapiens exist on, this black hole should compare to it"

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

Does not matter if a Black hole is made by a 2B or not it doesn't change a Black Hole else it's not a black hole and is something else entirly. You're using you headcanon here assuming stuff

 

[Greenshifter]

If i were to go with your interpretation then it's a realistic black hole which still works on Goku because I don't think having infinite durability saves you from it, it could but since we can't make assumptions according to you we can't assume that it will.

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

And you still assumed it's an actual black hole

 

[Greenshifter]

Because Atomic-X's is an actual black hole (with the corresponding properties) which got implemented by Liger and Alien X's is just the same on a higher scale.

 

[Badrimoine2019]

@Shubham Liger saied its black hole so it's a black hole end of story, go rewatch ben 10 before saying any bullshit

@green please close the thread about Alien x high regen everything is clear

 

[Doorinmyhouse]

youn need to calm down Badrimoine.

 

[Greenshifter]

@Bad I can't, I can only remove it which isn't allowed.

@Door he did get the point across OvO (I'm joking that's what strikethrough is for)

But guys this isn't a thread to start a flame war just relax and let's friendly debate Goku Vs Alien X all right, I'm completely open to all options here, if you give me good arguments on why a certain would or wouldn't work then I'll accept that. But don't start going yes-no-yes-no all right?

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

Let's just assume it's a legit black hole. What's stopping Goku from using Shenlong

 

[Greenshifter]

Is it in-character? And what would he ask from Shenlong and what tier is Shenlong?

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

It's Super Shenron who can even restore universes destroyed by omni king and can also grant immortality

Well he also has IT

 

[Greenshifter]

Ok, I think he's 2-C on-site so what will he do? I mean I guess he could show Goku the way if he's lost and manages to escape the Forge (but that's got nothing to do with a black hole) but I'm not sure if he can escape the Forge, can he keep summoning Shenron or only once?

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

@Shubham Liger saied its black hole so it's a black hole end of story, go rewatch ben 10 before saying any bullshit

Log out eat a snicker then come back once you've calm down

 

[Greenshifter]

Isn't the range of his portals better than IT and the range of his portals is only low-multiversal while you'd probably need multiversal+ range to enter and probably escape the Forge. Basically Paradox outranges a Demigra-scale attack (a bit less but parallel dimensions should mitigate for that) so Goku can only get back if he can IT or use a portal to avoid Demigra blowing up the multiverse.

 

[Doorinmyhouse]

xeno goku has acces to shenron?

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

xeno goku has acces to shenron?

It's in his profile

, Summoning (Can summon Shenro or Super Shenro)

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

Isn't the range of his portals better than IT and the range of his portals is only low-multiversal while you'd probably need multiversal+ range to enter and probably escape the Forge. Basically Paradox outranges a Demigra-scale attack (a bit less but parallel dimensions should mitigate for that) so Goku can only get back if he can IT or use a portal to avoid Demigra blowing up the multiverse.

There's no range given for IT only portal creation

 

[Badrimoine2019]

Yeah good luck for summoning super shenron it's like Alien x would let him, also isn't super shenron just 2-C? He would get EE by Alien x before he can do anything