Alien X vs Xeno Goku

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

Goku has resistence to BFR

 

[Greenshifter]

@Shubham If Alien X thinks everyone with life-force can no longer manipulate it then Goku is screwed and this should perfectly be within his capabilities since the question was about Alien X being able to manipulate mana like Gwen does and how he'd have to change how mana works to be able to do that. Alien X also has cosmic awareness so he should figure out very quickly that Goku uses life-force/ki in his attacks.

 

[Greenshifter]

How does his resistance work since he can still go through his own portals?

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

@Shubham If Alien X thinks everyone with life-force can no longer manipulate it then Goku is screwed

That won't work on GOku as he has resistance to it

Goku resists all of Alien X's best abilities

 

[Greenshifter]

Goku doesn't resist life-force being changed on a universal scale, he'd need to resist info manipulation for that.

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

He resistence is more than just universal it's multiversal. He resists all of Alien X's best abilities on a multiversal scale

 

[Greenshifter]

Can you point me where exactly on his profile "information manipulation" is mentioned?

 

[Greenshifter]

Wow I'm getting a deja vu.

 

[Planck69]

Goku doesn't resist life-force being changed on a universal scale, he'd need to resist info manipulation for that.

And Alien X isn't just pulling that out of his starry ass anytime soon. It's an ability he never uses based on one author statement that didn't even have him use the info manip in this specific way.

I'm staying at inconclusive. If people decide otherwise then that's fine.

 

[Greenshifter]

Ah then you're switching to incon, ok. Do I null other people's votes since I think they are based on yours or not?

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

Can you point me where exactly on his profile "information manipulation" is mentioned?

Can you show me where did he ever used Information Manipulation and actually affected someone who has resistences on an Multiversal Scale

 

[Greenshifter]

He did not use it that is right but that it does not work is wrong since Goku doesn't resist that specific ability.

I'm also still waiting on how his resistance to BFR works.

Edit: It's only resistance to temporal BFR, Alien X doesn't temporal BFR, that's Clockwork so Xeno Goku doesn't resist going through a portal to the Forge and won't be able to get back.

 

[Planck69]

Ah then you're switching to incon, ok. Do I null other people's votes since I think they are based on yours or not?

Eh, this fight would go on forever regardless of who wins. If they still think it's Goku who comes out on top (provided my reasoning wasn't flawed) then their votes should stay as they are.

 

[Greenshifter]

Ok

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

Didn't Serena and Belicus failed to punish Dr. Paradox

 

[Badrimoine2019]

Didn't Serena and Belicus failed to punish Dr. Paradox

Because professor paradox did make Ben transforme back

 

[Greenshifter]

Paradox probably used Causality manipulation or really good time manipulation to detransform Ben and since they didn't have a body/were cut off from the universe they couldn't punish Paradox.

 

[Planck69]

Paradox probably used Causality manipulation or really good time manipulation to detransform Ben and since they didn't have a body/were cut off from the universe they couldn't punish Paradox.

Aren't they Type 2 Acausals....?

 

[Greenshifter]

Causality manipulation and time manipulation works on Type 2's also Paradox could literally have causality hax that bypasses acausality cause the dude is OP. Also I kinda disagree with type 2.

 

[Planck69]

Causality manipulation and time manipulation works on Type 2's also Paradox could literally have causality hax that bypasses acausality cause the dude is OP. Also I kinda disagree with type 2.

His Type 2 is like the most explicitly explained thing about him.

 

[Greenshifter]

Yeah but doesn't necessarily give him type 2

 

[Planck69]

Yeah but doesn't necessarily give him type 2 </div>

Info Manip:

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

Yeah but doesn't necessarily give him type 2 </div>

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Info Manip:

He never use info manip in way you're saying

 

[The_Calaca]

Again with this? Really?

 

[Greenshifter]

@Calaca yes, but it's fair now.

 

[The_Calaca]

Care to tell me what do you think AX's wincon is here?

 

[Greenshifter]

Black hole creation, info manipulation (last resort) and portal creation to outside the multiverse vs Goku life-force absorbing multiple times.

 

[The_Calaca]

A black hole isn't restricting a 2-B character even if it comes from a 2-B far weaker than Xenoku.

What application of Info Manipulation would serve AX a purpose?

Xenoku has the same range. AX can't BFR him.

 

[Planck69]

A black hole isn't restricting a 2-B character even if it comes from a 2-B far weaker than Xenoku.
What application of Info Manipulation would serve AX a purpose?

Xenoku has the same range. AX can't BFR him.

I'm so stealing Xenoku.

 

[The_Calaca]

Everybody is stealing my names.

GTku.

Chouku.

Xenoku.

Gokuper.

OGoku.

Derpku (Evolution).

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

I thought it was ShitKu or Defectku (Evolution)

 

[The_Calaca]

Works the same.

 

[Greenshifter]

It worked on Galactic Gladiator while all other attacks from Alien X besides duplication did no damage to him, indicating it ignores durability.

Manipulating the information of life-force so that Goku can't use ki attacks anymore which he can find out Goku uses via cosmic awareness or just making it so Goku's life-force hurts him instead of helps him for instance.

The Forge of Creation can only be accessed by Celestialsapiens, The Map of Infinity or Paradox, this means characters like Clockwork (Ben 10) and Maltruant who can move across the time stream and characters who can move across dimensions such as Diago can not access it.

 

[The_Calaca]

Not listed as DN. And it could very well mean the BH is > AX's regular AP. Still nowhere near Xenoku's.

Xenoku resists Power Nullification which is the application you're talking about.

Do you have any evidence that AX can do that to his Life-Force? Probably an application of either Physics or Law Manipulation. Both powers Xenoku resists.

Wrong Clockwork.

The other two have laughable range. Your point?

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

Information Manipulation won't work as Goku resist law and physics manipulation. Can you show me any proof of Alien X using Information Manipulation like this. So the forge of creation can only be accessed by Celestialsapians so does that mean there is no character who can get out of their if so it's a serious NLF

 

[Greenshifter]

The black hole was accepted to work like a real black hole but on 4-D characters so it should ignore durability by virtue of being a black hole.

Pretty sure if you alter the universe that it is beyond a character's resistances, anyways

here is the statement.
I should probably update their range? They only have range for their actual attacks, not what their dimensional travel gives them, you should look at their abilities for that. Was that CRT accepted for cross-dimensional range etc. btw?

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

1st line said they can alter universe and Goku's range and durability FAR surpasses that

 

[Greenshifter]

@Shubham I think so, it makes sense that if it's difficult to get in somewhere that it's also difficult to get out, Kevin got out because he maybe absorbed the Map of Infinity or Paradox helped him probably. Even if Goku got out, how would he find his way back to the right universe?

 

[The_Calaca]

I don't know the mechanics of said Black Hole, but I don't see how it'd work on Goku who can just dodge or escape from it anyway.

Yeah, Physics/Law Manipulation. MUDA MUDA.

 

[Greenshifter]

Can I use evidence from DBS to debunk Goku teleporting away? Also you asked wincons not if they were likely to happen.

Euhm ok then?