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Alien x upgrade (possibly 2-C + abilities addition)

How did he affect the Contemelia?
 
I mean, what happened exactly?
 
The Contemelia did not appear until after the art style change. We do not know if they were affected, especially as their forms are incomprehensible to reguöar human minds.
 
Antvasima said:
The Contemelia did not appear until after the art style change. We do not know if they were affected, especially as their forms are incomprehensible to reguöar human minds.
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The Contumelia didn't seems to be aware about the art style changing which is the case for all other beings in Ben 10 so they should've been affected
 
Just because they don't mention it doesn't mean they aren't aware of it. They're not just going to being it up out of the blue for no reason. Honestly, this idea that us never seeing people on screen mention the art style change means that we assume with no actual evidence that a Celestapian just Mind Haxed everyone in the Universe is something I'm firmly against.
 
Nvm forget about the Contumelia stuff as for the mind hax stuff well the fact people in the show were unaware about their art style being changed was a clearly due to a reason if it wasn't due to mind hax then..... What exactly? And pls don't say it was just reality warping
 
Everything12 said:
Beats me, but we can't just give an Ability/feat based on only conjecture with no actual evidence.
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Well when Alien x recreated the universe Rook couldn't remember that Ben used alien x to recreate it even when the Mr smoothie art style got changed Rook was absolutely unaware about that small change as well so it's safe to assume that Celestialsapiens RW can affect/warp minds
 
Gohanblanco217 said:
Nvm forget about the Contumelia stuff as for the mind hax stuff well the fact people in the show were unaware about their art style being changed was a clearly due to a reason if it wasn't due to mind hax then..... What exactly? And pls don't say it was just reality warping
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Bruh if the characters were aware of an art style change then that's a gag scene/4th wall break, how is that a mind hax?
 
FluffyCreatureZ said:
Bruh if the characters were aware of an art style change then that's a gag scene/4th wall break, how is that a mind hax?
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No they weren't aware that's the thing I argued at first that this should be Plot hax but then Some people said that it's just a mix of Reality warping and mind hax and biological manip
 
Gohanblanco217 said:
Well when Alien x recreated the universe Rook couldn't remember that Ben used alien x to recreate it even when the Mr smoothie art style got changed Rook was absolutely unaware about that small change as well so it's safe to assume that Celestialsapiens RW can affect/warp minds
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Pretty sure for every one destroyed by the Universe erasing bomb, they just thought the bomb didn't go off and they weren't destroyed, because they simply went from not existing to be recreated without remembering any moment in between because to them there wasn't any moment in between. The Mr Smoothie thing was just the fact that when they recreated the universe inaccurately they also recreated the memories wrong as well, which no, isn't mindhax.
 
Gohanblanco217 said:
No they weren't aware that's the thing I argued at first that this should be Plot hax but then Some people said that it's just a mix of Reality warping and mind hax and biological manip
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Well I highly disagree with that, an artstyle change is not a biological manipulation lmao and neither is it mind hax, this just seems like a 4th wall break or a gag scene, because a fictional character cannot change their own art style ffs.
 
Everything12 said:
Pretty sure for everyone destroyed by the Universe erasing bomb, they just thought the bomb didn't go off and they weren't destroyed, because they simply wen't from not existing to be recreated without remembering any moment inbetween because to them their wasn't any moment inbetween. The Mr Smoothie thing was just the fact that wen't they recreated the universe inaccurately they also recreated the memories wrong as well, which no, isn't mindhax.
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Except before the bomb destroyed the universe Rook literally saw Ben transforming into AX tho
 
FluffyCreatureZ said:
Well I highly disagree with that, an artstyle change is not a biological manipulation lmao and neither is it mind hax, this just seems like a 4th wall break or a gag scene, because a fictional character cannot change their own art style ffs.
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1) Changing the appearance and voice of somebody is clear cut Biological manip feat even 2 of the staff agreed it was Biological manip + people in the multiverse being unaware about the changes is evidence for mind hax or else they should've been aware about that.

2) this has nothing to do with 4th wall breaking or gag scene like at all
 
And? He transformed into Alien X before the Universe was destroyed and their memories cut off, It was made very clear that from the perceptive of everyone besides Ben the bomb never went off.
 
Everything12 said:
And? He transformed into Alien X before the Universe was destroyed and their memories cut off, It was made very clear that from the perceptive of everyone besides Ben the bomb never went off.
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Nvm I still think that People being unaware about the changes in the universe should give to AX an ability and the most logical thing should be mind hax
 
Everything12 said:
Except theirs no evidence towards that and simply presumption.
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I don't see how this is not evidence if you make someone not aware about an event then this is clearly mind hax there is no other ability that could accomplish that except of Plot hax which got rejected
 
Gohanblanco217 said:
1) Changing the appearance and voice of somebody is clear cut Biological manip feat even 2 of the staff agreed it was Biological manip + people in the multiverse being unaware about the changes is evidence for mind hax or else they should've been aware about that.

2) this has nothing to do with 4th wall breaking or gag scene like at all
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If the literal biology and appearance of the characters changed then it would be biological manipulation, but fictional characters should not be aware of an art style change, if they were, then that would be a 4th wall break.
 
FluffyCreatureZ said:
okay so? They aren't supposed to be aware of an art style change.
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1)this is not an art style change Celestialsapiens jsut changed the characters appearance and voice

2)yes they are not supposed to be aware about it, it should've been Plot hax tbh but some people agreed with Mind hax and Biological manip instead
 
Chadzmuth was aware of the art style changes. He’s the only character that points it out. As shown here. Ben says here that he was too late to save the universe so he made an exact copy, meaning everyone and everything was replaced too. This isn’t memory manipulation. In this scenario no one remembered or believed Ben because their real versions were destroyed, thus their memories of the Annihilargh going off were destroyed as well.
 
Zamasu_Chan said:
Chadzmuth was aware of the art style changes
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We don't know how he did know about that so that is irrelevant especially when 99% of the characters in the verse weren't aware about it heck even when Chadzmutht told Ben about the art style change Ben didn't even seems to believe him
 
Gohanblanco217 said:
We don't know how he did know about that so that is irrelevant especially when 99% of the characters in the verse weren't aware about it heck even when Chadzmutht told Ben about the art style change Ben didn't even seems to believe him
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I’m just saying be careful what you use as evidence. Especially when we have no further context for things like this. But anyway, with that said, this thread should be closed since everything is done.
 
Zamasu_Chan said:
Chadzmuth was aware of the art style changes. He’s the only character that points it out. As shown here. Ben says here that he was too late to save the universe so he made an exact copy, meaning everyone and everything was replaced too. This isn’t memory manipulation. In this scenario no one remembered or believed Ben because their real versions were destroyed, thus their memories of the Annihilargh going off were destroyed as well.
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This is a very good point.
Everything12 said:
Beats me, but we can't just give an Ability/feat based on only conjecture with no actual evidence.
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I agree with this as well.
 
Is there nothing left to do here? Meaning, have all of the accepted revisions been applied to all 4 characters?
 
Okay. I will close this thread then.
 
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