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In that case Alien x should have higher dimensional manipulation for affecting the Contumelia and his reality Warping abilities should work on a 5D scaleThe Contumelia have Higher-Dimensional Existence already
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In that case Alien x should have higher dimensional manipulation for affecting the Contumelia and his reality Warping abilities should work on a 5D scaleThe Contumelia have Higher-Dimensional Existence already
Via Reality warpingHow did he affect the Contemelia?
All beings in Ben 10 including the Contumelia got affected by Celestialsapiens changing the universe (art style and voice changing + Mind hax)I mean, what happened exactly?
The Contumelia didn't seems to be aware about the art style changing which is the case for all other beings in Ben 10 so they should've been affectedThe Contemelia did not appear until after the art style change. We do not know if they were affected, especially as their forms are incomprehensible to reguöar human minds.
Well when Alien x recreated the universe Rook couldn't remember that Ben used alien x to recreate it even when the Mr smoothie art style got changed Rook was absolutely unaware about that small change as well so it's safe to assume that Celestialsapiens RW can affect/warp mindsBeats me, but we can't just give an Ability/feat based on only conjecture with no actual evidence.
Bruh if the characters were aware of an art style change then that's a gag scene/4th wall break, how is that a mind hax?Nvm forget about the Contumelia stuff as for the mind hax stuff well the fact people in the show were unaware about their art style being changed was a clearly due to a reason if it wasn't due to mind hax then..... What exactly? And pls don't say it was just reality warping
No they weren't aware that's the thing I argued at first that this should be Plot hax but then Some people said that it's just a mix of Reality warping and mind hax and biological manipBruh if the characters were aware of an art style change then that's a gag scene/4th wall break, how is that a mind hax?
Pretty sure for every one destroyed by the Universe erasing bomb, they just thought the bomb didn't go off and they weren't destroyed, because they simply went from not existing to be recreated without remembering any moment in between because to them there wasn't any moment in between. The Mr Smoothie thing was just the fact that when they recreated the universe inaccurately they also recreated the memories wrong as well, which no, isn't mindhax.Well when Alien x recreated the universe Rook couldn't remember that Ben used alien x to recreate it even when the Mr smoothie art style got changed Rook was absolutely unaware about that small change as well so it's safe to assume that Celestialsapiens RW can affect/warp minds
Well I highly disagree with that, an artstyle change is not a biological manipulation lmao and neither is it mind hax, this just seems like a 4th wall break or a gag scene, because a fictional character cannot change their own art style ffs.No they weren't aware that's the thing I argued at first that this should be Plot hax but then Some people said that it's just a mix of Reality warping and mind hax and biological manip
Except before the bomb destroyed the universe Rook literally saw Ben transforming into AX thoPretty sure for everyone destroyed by the Universe erasing bomb, they just thought the bomb didn't go off and they weren't destroyed, because they simply wen't from not existing to be recreated without remembering any moment inbetween because to them their wasn't any moment inbetween. The Mr Smoothie thing was just the fact that wen't they recreated the universe inaccurately they also recreated the memories wrong as well, which no, isn't mindhax.
1) Changing the appearance and voice of somebody is clear cut Biological manip feat even 2 of the staff agreed it was Biological manip + people in the multiverse being unaware about the changes is evidence for mind hax or else they should've been aware about that.Well I highly disagree with that, an artstyle change is not a biological manipulation lmao and neither is it mind hax, this just seems like a 4th wall break or a gag scene, because a fictional character cannot change their own art style ffs.
Nvm I still think that People being unaware about the changes in the universe should give to AX an ability and the most logical thing should be mind haxAnd? He transformed into Alien X before the Universe was destroyed and their memories cut off, It was made very clear that from the perceptive of everyone besides Ben the bomb never went off.
I don't see how this is not evidence if you make someone not aware about an event then this is clearly mind hax there is no other ability that could accomplish that except of Plot hax which got rejectedExcept theirs no evidence towards that and simply presumption.
If the literal biology and appearance of the characters changed then it would be biological manipulation, but fictional characters should not be aware of an art style change, if they were, then that would be a 4th wall break.1) Changing the appearance and voice of somebody is clear cut Biological manip feat even 2 of the staff agreed it was Biological manip + people in the multiverse being unaware about the changes is evidence for mind hax or else they should've been aware about that.
2) this has nothing to do with 4th wall breaking or gag scene like at all
The art style was never mentionond don't worrystyle change, if they were, then that would be a 4th wall break.
Then how did they know that it did change? They did know the the artstyle changed, which makes it a 4th wall break.The art style was never mentionond don't worry
Jesus dude they DIDN'T KNOW THEY SIMPLY WERE NOT AWARE GOD DAMMITThen how did they know that it did change?
okay so? They aren't supposed to be aware of an art style change.Jesus dude they DIDN'T KNOW THEY SIMPLY WERE NOT AWARE GOD DAMMIT
1)this is not an art style change Celestialsapiens jsut changed the characters appearance and voiceokay so? They aren't supposed to be aware of an art style change.
We don't know how he did know about that so that is irrelevant especially when 99% of the characters in the verse weren't aware about it heck even when Chadzmutht told Ben about the art style change Ben didn't even seems to believe himChadzmuth was aware of the art style changes
I’m just saying be careful what you use as evidence. Especially when we have no further context for things like this. But anyway, with that said, this thread should be closed since everything is done.We don't know how he did know about that so that is irrelevant especially when 99% of the characters in the verse weren't aware about it heck even when Chadzmutht told Ben about the art style change Ben didn't even seems to believe him
He affected Contumelia's extra dimensional barrier which the Contumelia said was impossible for even themI mean, what happened exactly?
This is a very good point.Chadzmuth was aware of the art style changes. He’s the only character that points it out. As shown here. Ben says here that he was too late to save the universe so he made an exact copy, meaning everyone and everything was replaced too. This isn’t memory manipulation. In this scenario no one remembered or believed Ben because their real versions were destroyed, thus their memories of the Annihilargh going off were destroyed as well.
I agree with this as well.Beats me, but we can't just give an Ability/feat based on only conjecture with no actual evidence.
I literally adressed this argument already..... Just nvm pls close thisThis is a very good point
Never mind. This seems like a good idea.i think all those new abilities should have some scans and description on what they can do