Alien x upgrade (possibly 2-C + abilities addition)

[Gohanblanco217]

It could be from their Mind Manipulation or Reality Warping that others think biological changes are normal. I don't see solid proofs of Memory Manipulation since the erasure of memories isn't elaborated or brought up in these cases.

So it's a combination of Mind hax and Reality warping or Biological manip?

 

[Elizhaa]

So it's a combination of Mind hax and Reality warping or Biological manip?

It could more be the first case; not that I think it would matters since both abilities are already on the relevant profiles.

 

[Rez]

It could more be the first case; not that I think it would matters since both abilities are already on the relevant profiles.

If it's the first one it will change the potency of mind manipulation

 

[Rez]

I just realised the Contumelia are for some reason accepted as higher dimensional beings and alien x who broke through their interdimensional barrier is not even given higher dimensional manipulation so remove the higher dimensional existence from Contumelia's profile

 

[Gohanblanco217]

I just realised the Contumelia are for some reason accepted as higher dimensional beings and alien x who broke through their interdimensional barrier is not even given higher dimensional manipulation so remove the higher dimensional existence from Contumelia's profile

Or we give to AX higher dimensional manipulation

 

[Antvasima]

What the staff members here have agreed with can probably be applied.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

What the staff members here have agreed with can probably be applied.

Okay so Biological manipulation + Dimensional travel + Life manipulation + law manipulation

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Also since Celestialsapiens can change the concept of Mana but indirectly then I think it should be added as a note on x profile

 

[Everything12]

Indirectly changing "Concepts" by changing everything the Concept governs is noted on the Conceptual Manipulation itself to not be anything, so I disagree with any notes on that. Any Universal Reality Warp can do that, it is nothing notable.

 

[Everything12]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Conceptual_Manipulation#Non-Qualifying_Concepts

Indirect manipulation of concepts, such as the universal changing of the object, does not qualify as conceptual manipulation. The use of Social Influencing or any non-supernatural power to achieve an alteration of a concept does not qualify as conceptual manipulation, as this is not a direct manipulation of the concept.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Indirectly changing "Concepts" by changing everything the Concept governs is noted on the Conceptual Manipulation itself to not be anything, so I disagree with any notes on that. Any Universal Reality Warp can do that, it is nothing notable.

A universal reality warping doesn't automatically give you the ability to affect a concept............

 

[Gohanblanco217]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Conceptual_Manipulation#Non-Qualifying_Concepts

I know that I never said that CM should be added but it should be noted in x profile that Celestialsapiens can manipulate and change concepts but not directly that's all don't see what's wrong with that.......

 

[Everything12]

We don't note such things down, because any Universal Reality Warper can simply change an object on a universal level and thus indirectly change their concept. That's just a mechanic of how Universal non-Type 1 concepts work, it's not notable at all.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Never mind then

 

[Antvasima]

Okay so Biological manipulation + Dimensional travel + Life manipulation + law manipulation

Please remind me of the reasons for all of them, just to make certain.

 

[Rez]

Please remind me of the reasons for all of them, just to make certain.

Biological manipulation: For changing the appearance and voice of characters

Dimensional travel: Celestial sapiens exists in a universe outside of space and time and can travel back and forth from their

Law and life manipulation: Celestial sapiens can alter the nature of mana which is life force (that every living organism possess),magic and also ledgerdomain an entirely different dimension is made out of mana

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Please remind me of the reasons for all of them, just to make certain.

Never mind I was completely dumb lol but anyway yeah basically what @Rez said above ^

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Actually non physical interaction should be added as well since Celestialsapiens can affect the Contumelia who are non corporeal beings what do you think @Rez?

 

[Gohanblanco217]

What the staff members here have agreed with can probably be applied.

Ant can you unlock the profiles so I can apply the changes?

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Sigh can anyone unlock AX and Celestialsapiens profile?

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I will handle it. However, you probably need to edit Starbeard and Galactic Gladiator as well, so I will unlock them too.

Tell me here when you are done.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Okay. I will handle it. However, you probably need to edit Starbeard and Galactic Gladiator as well, so I will unlock them too.

Tell me here when you are done.

Okay I will

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Okay. I will handle it. However, you probably need to edit Starbeard and Galactic Gladiator as well, so I will unlock them too.

Tell me here when you are done.

Okay now there is one last thing that I should add but I need some input for it :

Actually non physical interaction should be added as well since Celestialsapiens can affect the Contumelia who are non corporeal beings

 

[Purgy]

Actually non physical interaction should be added as well since Celestialsapiens can affect the Contumelia who are non corporeal beings

Show evidence

 

[Antvasima]

Are they non-corporeal or just higher-dimensional, and as such not possible to affect for lower-dimensional beings?

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Are they non-corporeal or just higher-dimensional, and as such not possible to affect for lower-dimensional beings?

3D minds can't precive the Contumelia who are 5D beings due to the dimensionality difference and this making the Contumelia non corporeal beings compared to 3D minds

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Show evidence

Here

 

[Purgy]

Here

I mean evidence of Celestialsapiens affecting/interacting with them

 

[Gohanblanco217]

I mean evidence of Celestialsapiens interacting with them

They got affected by the art style changing (Celestialsapiens reality warping) the visual feats alone made it clear

 

[Purgy]

They got affected by the art style changing (Celestialsapiens reality warping) the visual feats alone made it clear

I don't think that counts as NPI personally, they aren't directly interacting with them.

 

[sanicspood]

can yall like put scans and explanations on the profiles? instead of just putting the ability

 

[Gohanblanco217]

can yall like put scans and explanations on the profiles? instead of just putting the ability

Sorry I have a bad English I'm not good at making justifications for abilities so ask @Rez to do that

 

[Gohanblanco217]

I don't think that counts as NPI personally, they aren't directly interacting with them.

Pretty sure it would give them NPI through the use of Reality warping

 

[Antvasima]

I don't think that counts as NPI personally, they aren't directly interacting with them.

Neither do I.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Neither do I.

NPI via Reality warping isn't fine?

 

[Antvasima]

No, that seems mismatched. Sorry.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

No, that seems mismatched. Sorry.

Nvm do you think we could give Contumelia 5D existence because their existence is incomprehensible by 3D minds?

 

[Antvasima]

What do you mean?

 

[Gohanblanco217]

What do you mean?

I mean is it possible to give to the Contumelia higher dimensional existence (5D)? since their existence is incomprehensible in the point of view of 3D minds so 3D beings cannot precive them due to the dimensionality difference so is this enough for them to have higher dimensional existence ?

 

[Purgy]

The Contumelia have Higher-Dimensional Existence already