Alien X HDE Deletion

[Gohanblanco217]

So Ben 10 Supporters added the HDE with a CRT for AP?

Yes it was meant for AP but somehow people agreed for HDE

 

[ShionAH]

Yes

This is going to RVR

 

[Reiner04]

Go to my thread and read it, he says it does not qualify simple as that, I am still arguing for it though.
He even said being infinitely larger than an infinite 3D construct does not mean HDE in the mathematical sense

I can see your point, but, I disagree with DT and neither the page contradicts my reasoning and is reasonable enough.

 

[Georredannea15]

Yes

Then I totally agree to downgrade.

 

[PrinceofPein]

I can see your point, but, I disagree with DT and neither the page contradicts my reasoning and is reasonable enough.

The page does though, since your reasoning is based on Transcendence.
This feels like you are in denial

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Then I totally agree to downgrade.

Maybe ? But the statement should still be used as a supporting evidence for AX AP

 

[PrinceofPein]

HDE and AP have nothing in common, so it will not affect AP, I do not know what anyone is fretting about, Alien X is still strong

 

[Reiner04]

The page does though, since your reasoning is based on Transcendence.
This feels like you are in denial

Uh yeah, agree to disagree tbh, I don't see the page denying me but what DT said does and that's why I disagree with DT here. So I am leaving it to what who thinks.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

No way wtf? It only says he accidentally wiped out a mountain nothing about presence or passive? Alien X if he had 7-A Passive AP which doesnt exist he would then destroy anything around

"accidentally wiped out a mountain" Is NOT enough for passive aura with 7-A energy which never happens in the show

Alien X destroying a mountain ≠ passive

Alien x appearance alone destroying a mountain= passive

 

[ShionAH]

Turns out HDE was not even agreed upon so

HDE and AP have nothing in common, so it will not affect AP, I do not know what anyone is fretting about, Alien X is still strong

 

[ShionAH]

Alien X destroying a mountain ≠ passive

Alien x appearance alone destroying a mountain= passive

Thats not whats said. Doesnt matter as Passive 7-A Aura is just not true for Alien X

 

[Gohanblanco217]

HDE and AP have nothing in common, so it will not affect AP, I do not know what anyone is fretting about, Alien X is still strong

"Alien X is so powerful he transceded our very plan of existence"

It's literally reffering to his AP

 

[Reiner04]

Man what you all are doing? You all have said your peace, mountain has nothing to do here. Just agree to disagree and move on.

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

Bruh, why we are talking about freaking Mountain feat in a crt about HDE?? As Pain have says, HDE has nothing to do with AP.

 

[Ikelaggan]

So Alien X just got 5D HDE because of the most vague shit I have ever seen

So heres the feat

• First off this card seems really non-serious. Like come on look at this shit after saying Alien X is "5D" then the card says Alien Xs best feat is destroying some mountains. Low 1-C to 7-A?
• Second off this card only says "our very plane of existence" Keyword: OUR plane of existence, Now where do humans exist? Thats right in the 3D dimension. This sentence is so vague that is is just funny, Our plane of existence is not 4D even if you may thing they refer to a timeline here since Humans exist in a timeline that is still too vague for a literal Tier 1 rating. This just means he trascends humans and the 3rd dimension giving him 4D HDE not 5D.
• The whole "seeing the universe" as a book is disagreed by DT too I believe and Transcending is not enough for HDE

So yeah nuke the 5D HDE.

Agree: 6 @Akagami_Shanks1 @PrinceofPein @Georredannea15 @doqanxd @KingNanaya @TheGreatJedi13
Disagree: 4 @Reiner @Barbar01 @BestMGQScalerEver @Gohanblanco217
Neutral: 1 @LuffyRuffy46307

So actually I think I wanna remove the 4D HDE too.

"Alien X's body has a pocket Universe which has its own Time and Causality disconnected from rest of Time"

This just means Alien X has a pocket dimension. I am very certain that does not warrant a HDE, having a pocket dimension is just dimensional storage and pocket dimension hax.

I'm in agreement to nuke it.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Uh yeah, agree to disagree tbh, I don't see the page denying me but what DT said does and that's why I disagree with DT here. So I am leaving it to what who thinks.

DT is the page
The page is purely mathematical, check it, then I wanted to clarify that it can extend to others too but well he disagrees and says it is meant for purely mathematical terms

"Alien X is so powerful he transceded our very plan of existence"

It's literally reffering to his AP

this is in terms of power and ontology though, not mathematical sense. Not to talk about how the last statement puts it as a hype of its power

 

[KingNanaya]

Man what you all are doing? You all have said your peace, mountain has nothing to do here. Just agree to disagree and move on.

I agree with that sentiment here. who cares if a tier 1 can destroy a mountain

 

[Aachintya31]

The page is purely mathematical, check it, then I wanted to clarify that it can extend to others too but well he disagrees and says it is meant for purely mathematical terms

That literally makes statements like " I am a higher dimensional being" being null and void for HDE.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

this is in terms of power and ontology though, not mathematical sense. Not to talk about how the last statement puts it as a hype of its power

I mean it's just a supporting evidence anyway so what? I'm not saying it should be used as an actual evidence for low 1-C alien x

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

That literally makes statements like " I am a higher dimensional being" being null and void for HDE.

That's literally what pain is trying to do in another thread

 

[Aachintya31]

I mean it's just a supporting evidence anyway so what? I'm not saying it should be used as an actual evidence for low 1-C alien x

This is not CSAP wiki. You are not helping anybody here Blanco.

That's literally what pain is trying to do in another thread

LMAO. Ok

 

[Greenshifter]

Fine with removing 5D HDE, not sure on 4D HDE, would have been useful if we made the Pocket dimension resistances thread first.

Anyways “DontTalk this, DontTalk that”, what DT should definitely be accounted for to push us in the right direction, that doesn’t mean you don’t have to make counter arguments when the opposition objects.

 

[Greenshifter]

This is not CSAP wiki

We don’t want him, keep him

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

So I'm guessing you guys are done making each others cases for staff to evaluate, right? I hope the thread hasn't been clogged by incessant arguing and going in circles

 

[KingNanaya]

I hope the thread hasn't been clogged by incessant arguing and going in circles

so you see, about that, what had happened was

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

There is a lot of noise in this thread. Let’s cut to the chase:

Is there any evidence that a 4th spatial axis exists in Ben 10?

 

[PrinceofPein]

That literally makes statements like " I am a higher dimensional being" being null and void for HDE.

if it is not in the mathematical contexts, it does not qualify.

 

[AKUTO123]

I agree with op first of all the hde logic certainly wrong and it says "he transcend our plane" but then it says" they are warping to realty " well, sentence certainly out of context

 

[Aachintya31]

but then it says" they are warping to realty "

???

 

[Chianli]

The HDE 5D? yes it needs to get nuked but the HDE 4D? nah, you are just trying to make the verse 3D here, if the pocket dimesion is it's own set of time and causuality plus universe sized, that means that it is 4D, it would'not make snese if a creature or alien that lives on the border of our plane of existence to still be 3D.

 

[Greenshifter]

So I'm guessing you guys are done making each others cases for staff to evaluate, right? I hope the thread hasn't been clogged by incessant arguing and going in circles

HA, this is a Ben 10 thread, get real. We still have 5 more pages to go before both sides reach a baseline they can agree on.

 

[Greenshifter]

Is there any evidence that a 4th spatial axis exists in Ben 10?

Yeah actually. Like, a lot.

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

I'm pretty much in agreement to down it back to 4D

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Yeah actually. Like, a lot.

So post it.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

The HDE 5D? yes it needs to get nuked but the HDE 4D? nah, you are just trying to make the verse 3D here, if the pocket dimesion is it's own set of time and causuality plus universe sized, that means that it is 4D, it would'nt make snese if a creature or alien that lives on the border of our plane of existence to still be 3D.

As I said it supposed to support Alien x having low 1-C AP so I agree about nuking the quote from Alien x HDE but it should still be used as a supporting evidence for low 1-C alien x

 

[Greenshifter]

"This you see this Low 1-C character? Yeah yeah guess what! He can even destroy a mountain! Yes a mountain!"

Yeah like Mewtwo being capable of destroying a skycraper, wild stuff.

 

[Greenshifter]

So post it.

Check his page + the big bang affecting 5D beings. Or just straight up the existence of 5D beings in Ben 10. Or those 26-beings.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

So post it.

Also this is Irrelevant to this thread since Alien x is already accepted as low 1-C so stick to the topic

 

[ShionAH]

Yeah like Mewtwo being capable of destroying a skycraper, wild stuff.

Congrats you missed the point

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Check his page + the big bang affecting 5D beings. Or just straight up the existence of 5D beings in Ben 10. Or those 26-beings.

And is Alien X one of those beings?

Also this is Irrelevant to this thread since Alien x is already accepted as low 1-C

AP is irrelevant.