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Georredannea15
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Yes because there are no baseline above 2-A.
ShionAH
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We are not closing the CRT before the staff come.
"Alien X's body has a pocket Universe which has its own Time and Causality disconnected from rest of Time"
Isnt this just 4D? Actually this might not even be HDE bro- Its just pocket dimension
Accidentally wiping something out is NOT passive. Like wtf??
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He was 4D until the statement that he is so strong that he transcend our very plane of Existence came.
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Upon checking it is possible for someone to contain a 4D plane of existence (3D+Time) within oneself without being 5D
What proof do we have that his pocket dimension scales beyond the ben 10 cosmology that is low 1-C?
because them having pocket dimension inside their body yet also existing within the world inside the world of Ben 10 is a heavy contradiction
I wouldn't say HDe should be removed but HDE being 5D is suspicious
Georredannea15
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Like I said, your comments don't to matter much if DT says so.agree to disagree anyway again.
But I already stated I disagree with DT reasoning, as long as standard doesn't contradict and supports what state I can move with it, if something is bigger than Infinite 3D that can't be contained in 3D structure and equates to 4D structure.
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Not necessary actualy, you must make the infinite 3D as a subset or portion of it, that make that structure is much bigger in every part than the infinite 3D
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Accidentally wiping out something is not passive but accidentally wiping out something due to your mere existence is passive.
Simple difference
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Our plane of existence is 3D assorted into a film strip over time
in the end the plane of existence is still a 3D space with time and not 4D as a 4D space so no. transcending the plane of existence should be 4D only
if our plane of existence is 4D then we'll have hypercubes around us which isn't the case
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3D space with time is 4D
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It says that ben by just turning into Alien x can accidentally wipe out a mountain.
The moment Alien x b to exist = no mountain
How is that so hard to understand ?
Doesn't matter whatever it's passive or not doesn't change anything I said like really
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Are you doing it on purpose ? The statement is so ******* obvious it doesn't really takes a genius to realise that
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So are you suggesting a downgrade to tier 7? With all this hyperfixation on the mountain stuff it sure as hell seems so.
ShionAH
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No it is not obvious at all? If I say I accidently destroyed a glass would you think I did it on an accident or my mere presence destroyed it?
Thats not what I said tf? I am saying it just shows the card is not really a good source since it makes the character seem weaker
Georredannea15
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DT says what he says. I didn't know there was such a thing until I heard it from DT, but that's the thing.
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Sorry but the Statement is "Alien X is so strong that he transcend our very plane of Existence". That's strawman to say it's linked to mountain Destroying or whatever, neither makes sense and is a assertion.
ShionAH
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I am just shocked. Like these guys are arguing for passive 7-A AP for Alien X because of "he accidentally destroys a mountain" quote.
Thats not what I said. What I am saying is the card is not good enough source material as it makes Alien X seem like a Tier 6 character with him doing a 7-A feat. Plus transcending is not enough for HDE anyway
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? Not really. It's just flavor text to make something sound cool.
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The card was made during Alien Force before the show properly explored Celestialsapiens and their power
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OMG it says Ben by JUST TURNING into Alien x is enough to wipe out a mountain. Literally Alien x appearance alone is enough to destroy a ******* mountain, that's what the statement says.....
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Go to my thread and read it, he says it does not qualify simple as that, I am still arguing for it though.
He even said being infinitely larger than an infinite 3D construct does not mean HDE in the mathematical sense
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Dude chill out. You're literally oozing salt rn with all of these aggressive posts.
Don't see how some flavor text to add a tone is some sort of antifeat?
So powerful he can accidentally destroy a mountain = cool sounding to children
Georredannea15
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I will ask something out of curiosity. How supported is the card game with the main series (it doesn't matter if it's Canon).
ShionAH
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No way wtf? It only says he accidentally wiped out a mountain nothing about presence or passive? Alien X if he had 7-A Passive AP which doesnt exist he would then destroy anything around him??
I am oozing salt after I saw you guys trying to give Alien X Idk Passive 7-A AP? Because he accidentally wiped out a mountain
Its not an antifeat for the 5th time. It just shows the card has no understanding in any dimension stuff and therefore not reliable.
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It's not a card game, but a similiar one was used for Big Chill's absolute zero which is supported in-show IIRC.
TheKingStrategist13
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As far as I know, Passive AP isn't even a proper term. Something more apt would be environmental destruction.
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Also the quote wasn't even meant for HDE anyway, since the statement says that "Alien x is so powerful that he transcended our plane of existence"
It's literally reffering to his AP here so it should be used as a justification for low 1-C AP instead
It's literally reffering to his AP here so it should be used as a justification for low 1-C AP instead
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Don't see how one can come to that conclusion? Seems like a strange comparison.
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HDE was always there. It was literally added as supporting evidence. You are literally focusing on literal supporting evidence.
Georredannea15
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I don't think we should go any further because we're drawing a circle. It's already 2 pages, we should wait for DT.
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