Alright, this should be fun... I hope you don't do taxes the same way you argue these tbh...
Kirito’s sword can’t be releasing just a cloud of Umbral Element, because it actually has mass, and Eugeo talks about how he can see the wood of the tree at the tip, and how that relates to Fanatio and her attack
It baffles me how you miss the entire point of the Memory Abilities. They use their own life, to conjure attacks based on their sacred arts element. I referred to it as a cloud, as that would be more understandable for reviewers coming in to read who are not aware of the exact concepts of SAO. I am not going to waste their time by explaining the full origins of the weapon in order to be able to explain what it manifests into, when I was explicitly requested a brief summary for people without a context.
From the 50 times you have been told in this thread, I would have expected you to understand that the Night Sky Sword simply unleashed a wave of Umbral Eleme-- Oh wait, I actually said it right there, but given your habits of cherry picking, you literally got stuck up on the word "cloud" instead, and missed the entire point by doing so... I explicitly said "Umbral attack unleashed the same way by Kirito's Night Sky Sword". As it's been told numerous times, it's not about "how something looks", it's about "what something is". Manifestations are just manifestations existing of their specific type of element. Kirito unleashed a wave of Umbral Elements from the sword, the same way Fanatio unleashed a wave of Luminous elements that got absorbed by the Umbral. We'll get to your Time Splitting Blade example later, which I already stated as an exception in this convo, but I guess you also did not pay attention there, to nobodies surprise...
Talking about how the game quote matches the LN
You aren't wrong. It's just that trying to create this equivalence is irrelevant. It does not serve a purpose. The game roughly uses the same raw for these sections, just translated by Bandai Namco's translation team rather than Stephen Paul. So there are only minor differences in style or word choices. Although we know for a fact Bandai Namco translators were very liberal with their translations in Alicization Lycoris. We had countless notes back on the Wikia as to how they threw out lines just to conjure their own ones at times. It's very clear the games translation editing went through an aggressive "localization" phase.
But if you are looking for more info on Divine Weapons, the first paid DLC actually goes into a bit more detail at the very beginning. It's still very shallow compared to the information you'll get from the novels, but I recommend giving it a check.
Aside from that, your talk about how this ties into assumptions regarding the Sword Golem is even further irrelevant, which just sounds like you are adding knowledge for the sake of sounding knowledgeable.
Either way, multiple paragraphs of nothing really. Just fluff, trying to convince people that the game matches the light novel translation bar some stylistic choices, which was never a point of conflict anyways.
“Hidden light of the Heaven-Piercing Blade, cast off your shackles!! Release Recollection!!”
I don't think you realize the casting yells are just part of the bond between the user and the sword. They aren't real, they are symbolic. Alice yells for her flowers, Eugeo yells for the roses to bloom. For example, Renly basically just tells the Wings to do their thing because he believes they don't suck, unlike him. That was his bond with the weapon, how he felt useless without a partner he could rely on, which was part of the memory of the blades, the two birds with a single wing who had to rely on each other to be able to fly. Kirito doesn't even say anything, etc.
So the light that erupts from the blade has its origins within itself, the light of Solus that was imbued within it.
No. It is literally the Life (capital L) being turned into spatial resources to be shot away as an attack.
The mirrors can’t generate light or Luminous Element, so why would the sword be able to?
Because the sword is not the mirrors. Divine Weapons are granted their powers based on their lore. Gigas Cedar also had nothing to do with Umbral Elements. But it's lore was "sucking up spatial resources", hence why it's attributed to Umbral Elements that are known for their absorption abilities, particularly effective against Luminous Elements.
Now, the final question some might be asking: Where did the light of Solus within the blade come from? This is actually pretty simple to answer, from the same source that forged the blade: The Administrator, The Pontifex, Quinella herself. Why wouldn’t she be able to do this? Light in this world is just data, able to be manipulated through the system, and she understood this better than anyone.
And no, just to nip this in the bud, I don’t think the Administrator is lying about this or Fanatio has a poor understanding of her sword and its mechanics. The thing you have to remember about stories is they are contrived by nature. We cannot directly experience these worlds or perform experiments within them to validate the information the characters exposit about their own world and how it works. At best we can ask the author to verify its validity (but don’t do that, seriously).
This is the one thing that shows your lack of understanding of the series, more than anything else you have said so far. And in this entire thread, you have said plenty.
Quinella has no such powers. She has no power to "manipulate the system". Why do you think she needed Yanai from the outside to achieve a lot of things? And here, you claim she imbued the sword with the Sun... All the Underworlders are "just data", why doesn't she just manipulate them? Because she has no power to manipulate the data. When you are in a game, all you can do is what the game allows you to do. To be able to alter the game, you need to ALT+F4 and go knee deep into the game code itself. That's the difference between "Administrator" and Yanai.
And then you go on to say that you believe that Administrator is not lying... The person who lies on a consistent basis to manipulate people verbally, the one who created the entire order of Integrity Knights based on massive lies, you believe would not lie, just to establish a mythical lore for Fanatio to visualize to be able to draw out the memory abilities of the sword... You know, the thing you need to be able to visualize, because the bulk of the work is being done by Incarnation?
Things like Fanatio being a knight sent from the heavens are assertions directly challenged by the story within itself
So is your claim of the sword shooting an actual laser... Doesn't seem to stop you...
She never expresses any doubt over the nature of her weapon, even after the death of the Administrator and her lies being exposed.
Why should she? Why would it matter to her? Does anybody ever come to her to give an extensive explanation about the world? Does she even need such an exposition? In Moon Cradle, we know Integrity Knights don't even care about most of these stuff that the Sacred Arts Experts at the Cathedral are dealing with. All they need to know is the end result they want to achieve, not how it is achieved. And it also would not matter in Fanatio's case, who has used the weapon for over a hundred years by now. She knows what the weapon can do. Whether she calls upon the "light of Solus" or "the blessings of Solus" makes no difference. She is well beyond the point of "I need to be dramatic about how I cast this" and it's more about the intimidation factor of the opponent. It also generally helps to have a statement of action just as part of the Incarnation fueling the attack. For example, when cutting down Sigurosig, Fanatio doesn't even say the command. She bypasses it with her Incarnation and just goes "Return to the bowels of the earth" referring to Sigurosig, rather than saying anything to the sword. It's all about your own state of mind and intent when it comes to Incarnation after all. I hope you understand what I'm referring to, because if your next argument is "Heaven Piercing Blade is actually made from the intestines of the planets", I will actually leave this mess.
And the book is willing to clarify the mechanics of a weapon in game mechanics if it deems it necessary.
Such as Bercouli's Uragiri, where the novel explains how it would interfere with the log system, rather than actually being an attack that literary travels back in time (even though it effectively achieves the same thing). The book could have done the exact same thing if Fanatio's explanation was incorrect, and the simplest explanation would be that she simply is not.
EXACTLY!!! So you did found out about that! You know when the book deems it necessary to explain the mechanics of a weapon? When that weapon behaves completely out of the ordinary! You may not remember because you have a hard time looking at things with a wider perspective, but I explicitly had mentioned this very early on in this conversation. Glad to see it took you over 100 replies in the thread to figure it out.
The only exception to this is if the origin of the Divine Object is an actual System Object to begin with. And the only example we know of this is Bercouli's Time Splitting Sword which was the System Clock of the simulation. It is the only one that does not utilize its Life to unleash a form of Spatial Resources, but uses it to tap into the System Time Logs instead. It still uses Life to achieve it, it's just that it does not result in Spatial Resources being discharged.
You see, the Time Splitting Sword was an actual System Object that had direct ties to the System. It's literally the System Clock, that's one of the most fundamental things of a system. That's where it memory ability comes from.
Now, if you turned other System Objects into weapons, you also would be able to get system related abilities like that. As far as we know so far though, there are no such things. However, Istar's divine pistol in URV may have some system related properties as it cancels out Incarnation. So it likely has something to do with the connection to the Main Visualizer, which is where incarnate abilities originate from. So if you need more system related abilities, you need to wait a bit longer for us to spend more time in Underworld.
But going back to the topic, of course the book is not going to explain how a Divine Object works every single time, unless it is an exception. It would need to repeat itself 2 dozen times if it tried to. At that point, a simple background info drop is enough for the reader to figure out the rest, because all they need to know is where the ability stems from.
Which is also exactly why we never get to see Scheta's Black Lily Sword's Memory Ability. We know it is a divine weapon. But we never get a concrete background of what it actually was. We just know it was a "flower that bloomed where no other flowers bloomed in the Dark Territory". It's arguable whether it even has a memory ability, or just is a sword with high priority. We know you don't necessarily need memory abilities to succeed, none of the Super Accounts have weapons with memory abilities for example.
But yeah, that's just trivia from my side. You went above and beyond to just repeat the exact same things, some of which were actually things I said that you never realized. But if that was your final reply, it is probably time to close this thread.
If it isn't, you will need to explain based on your own claims as to why "Light" from the Heaven Piercing Blade and "Wood" from the Night Sky Sword were equally fast and met in the middle? Was it Light moving at the speed of Wood? Was it Wood moving at the speed of Light? Hehehe, you don't actually need to answer this, I'm just mocking your argument, because once again, you do not think about the implications of your claims. You throw them out, hoping one sticks and then get frustrated when someone brings those holes into the spotlight for everyone to see.
