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Alastor (Hazbin Hotel) Revisions
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I'm aware that Vivziepop cited that Sir Pentious was a recurring character + that he got out at the end, but since he wasn't on the brink of death either at the end of the ep Pilot, this in no way proves any regenWeeklyBattles said:
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So thinking back on the connection between Zoophobia and Hazbin Hotel, I don't think they're set within the same universe anymore. Here's why:
1. We see Satan in Zoophobia and he looks completely different than what we see in Hazbin. Sure, you can argue that he can change forms, but if it's the same universe, consistent designs should be a thing.
2. Satan has a son in Zoophobia, Damia. He's a little furry demon and a major trouble maker. Two things with this. One, there's no mention of him in Hazbin and he doesn't appear in Charlie's family portrait. If they were the same universe and therefore the same Lucifer, why wouldn't he include his whole family? Two, we know what Hazbin Lucifer and Lilith look like, how could those two produce an angry fox boy?
1. We see Satan in Zoophobia and he looks completely different than what we see in Hazbin. Sure, you can argue that he can change forms, but if it's the same universe, consistent designs should be a thing.
2. Satan has a son in Zoophobia, Damia. He's a little furry demon and a major trouble maker. Two things with this. One, there's no mention of him in Hazbin and he doesn't appear in Charlie's family portrait. If they were the same universe and therefore the same Lucifer, why wouldn't he include his whole family? Two, we know what Hazbin Lucifer and Lilith look like, how could those two produce an angry fox boy?
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Damian's mom is not Lilith, she's Narissa, but the other points make sense
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1. Satan is confirmed by vivzie to be capable of shapeshifting, and even hazbin characters that appear in zoophobia look different, specifically alastor.
2. Seeing as Damien isnt lilith's son it makes sense for him to not be in the family portrait and not be mentioned, hell its entirely likely that charlie wouldnt even know him. You could also just @ vivzie and ask her if you really wanted to. And i would recommend taking a look at the designs of angels family for that last part, because from what inrecall the only other member of his family who is anpink fuzzy spider demon is his sister.
2. Seeing as Damien isnt lilith's son it makes sense for him to not be in the family portrait and not be mentioned, hell its entirely likely that charlie wouldnt even know him. You could also just @ vivzie and ask her if you really wanted to. And i would recommend taking a look at the designs of angels family for that last part, because from what inrecall the only other member of his family who is anpink fuzzy spider demon is his sister.
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I mean couldnt Satan and Lucifer just be seperate characters? Wouldnt be the first time that has happened in fiction, though it may have been confirmed that Luci also goes by Satan and I just dont know it.
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Lucifer and satan are two different characters yes
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How does that in any way prove the two worlds arent the same?
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What? That just means both of your arguments arnt valid since both rely on Lucifer and Satan being the same being,
"1. We see Satan in Zoophobia and he looks completely different than what we see in Hazbin. Sure, you can argue that he can change forms, but if it's the same universe, consistent designs should be a thing.
2. Satan has a son in Zoophobia, Damia. He's a little furry demon and a major trouble maker. Two things with this. One, there's no mention of him in Hazbin and he doesn't appear in Charlie's family portrait. If they were the same universe and therefore the same Lucifer, why wouldn't he include his whole family? Two, we know what Hazbin Lucifer and Lilith look like, how could those two produce an angry fox boy?"
"1. We see Satan in Zoophobia and he looks completely different than what we see in Hazbin. Sure, you can argue that he can change forms, but if it's the same universe, consistent designs should be a thing.
2. Satan has a son in Zoophobia, Damia. He's a little furry demon and a major trouble maker. Two things with this. One, there's no mention of him in Hazbin and he doesn't appear in Charlie's family portrait. If they were the same universe and therefore the same Lucifer, why wouldn't he include his whole family? Two, we know what Hazbin Lucifer and Lilith look like, how could those two produce an angry fox boy?"
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So yeah, Satan and Lucifer being two different characters kinda invalidates both of those points
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ok, so re-lisiting all the points:
Low-Godly Regenerationn for all demons
Existance Erasure and 5-B AP for Alastor (Via upscaling to Greater Demon who are said to be able to destroy the planet-size Safe Heaven)
Matter Manipulation for Alastor (since he modified the "Happy" sign in to "Hazbin", even adding another letter which would reuire more matter than there was already)
Downgrade Charley to just Unknow since Sir. Pentious doesn't scale to the Low 7-C feat
Low-Godly Regenerationn for all demons
Existance Erasure and 5-B AP for Alastor (Via upscaling to Greater Demon who are said to be able to destroy the planet-size Safe Heaven)
Matter Manipulation for Alastor (since he modified the "Happy" sign in to "Hazbin", even adding another letter which would reuire more matter than there was already)
Downgrade Charley to just Unknow since Sir. Pentious doesn't scale to the Low 7-C feat
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also Curse Manip
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right
so, is there anybody against the upgrades ?
so, is there anybody against the upgrades ?
Jackythejack
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These seem good
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Well, i doesn't seem to be opposition to the upgrades, so we can probably apply them i think
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If Lucifer and Satan are two different characters, who's the King of Hell? I know that in real life, they're just different names for one person, but it's confirmed to be two different people in Hazbin.
Also, looking back at the Zoophobia wiki, Damian's dad is listed as Lucifer, not Satan. While Charlie's dad is technically Lucifer Magne, I can say that they probably have the same dad.
Also, looking back at the Zoophobia wiki, Damian's dad is listed as Lucifer, not Satan. While Charlie's dad is technically Lucifer Magne, I can say that they probably have the same dad.
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the Zoophia wiki is rather garbage tbh
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Well judging from the fact that Hazbin is much newer and upsated and Charlies father is Lucifer and hes stated to be hells king im gonna with with him.
Eden_Warlock99
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bump (sorry for necro, but we need to discuss this further)
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But anyway, Zoophobia and Hazbin Hotel are completely separate verses.
Nullflowerblush
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I don't know what else there is to discuss, aside from the Low-Godly Regeneration arguments and Alastor's Curse Manipulation.
Nullflowerblush
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Well, since we're here.
5-B Hazbin-Helluva God-tiers via Zoophobia
Vivziepop has stated that Hazbin-Helluva and Zoophobia do not take place in the same world, with their differences in the structure of Hell and differences in their royalties ruining the possibility of a shared universe, so this argument is moot.
Low-Godly Regeneration
The demons are not souls themselves, so them having the ability to regenerate does not qualify for Low-Godly Regeneration.
Sir Pentious was not blown apart by Alastor's assault. Those large chunks of black and green meat are the tentacles that Alastor summoned and not Sir Pentious. In the post-credits scene, we see Sir Pentious emerging from the crater left behind by the attack, broken and banged up, which invalidates the argument that he was blown to pieces and regenerated from the explosion. If he were torn apart and then stitched himself together, he would not have the injuries he had, like broken bones.
On that note, the demons are not souls. They do have a physical form. Angel Dust's comment about being already dead seems to imply that Sinners are undead, and Hellborn demons are born, so it goes without saying that they are not purely souls. Sir Pentious receives broken bones, demons can be affected by illnesses and venoms, normal humans (i.e., Martha and her family) and robots (i.e., Robotic Fizzarolli) can interact with demons which would be impossible if they were souls and thus incorporeal. Also, whenever Vivziepop brings up the immortality of demons and their "true death" through the angels' weapons, she states that "their souls cease to exist" or something along those lines, meaning that these demons are not manifestations of souls, they are creatures with souls.
At the least, they have Low-Mid, but if you really want to stretch it, you could claim they have Mid Regeneration, based off of the fact that the thief at the beginning of the pilot who was crushed was stated to have survived being flattened, and thus likely returned to a normal form afterwards, but that's a big stretch.
Curse Manipulation... for Alastor
Not sure if being a "dealmaker demon" qualifies for Curse Manipulation. It seems to be just an extension of Magic and/or Soul Manipulation, since his deals are stated to revolve around the exchanging or pawning of souls. But, if magical dealmaking is an ability under Curse Manipulation, then it can be applied.
5-B Hazbin-Helluva God-tiers via Zoophobia
Vivziepop has stated that Hazbin-Helluva and Zoophobia do not take place in the same world, with their differences in the structure of Hell and differences in their royalties ruining the possibility of a shared universe, so this argument is moot.
Low-Godly Regeneration
The demons are not souls themselves, so them having the ability to regenerate does not qualify for Low-Godly Regeneration.
Sir Pentious was not blown apart by Alastor's assault. Those large chunks of black and green meat are the tentacles that Alastor summoned and not Sir Pentious. In the post-credits scene, we see Sir Pentious emerging from the crater left behind by the attack, broken and banged up, which invalidates the argument that he was blown to pieces and regenerated from the explosion. If he were torn apart and then stitched himself together, he would not have the injuries he had, like broken bones.
On that note, the demons are not souls. They do have a physical form. Angel Dust's comment about being already dead seems to imply that Sinners are undead, and Hellborn demons are born, so it goes without saying that they are not purely souls. Sir Pentious receives broken bones, demons can be affected by illnesses and venoms, normal humans (i.e., Martha and her family) and robots (i.e., Robotic Fizzarolli) can interact with demons which would be impossible if they were souls and thus incorporeal. Also, whenever Vivziepop brings up the immortality of demons and their "true death" through the angels' weapons, she states that "their souls cease to exist" or something along those lines, meaning that these demons are not manifestations of souls, they are creatures with souls.
At the least, they have Low-Mid, but if you really want to stretch it, you could claim they have Mid Regeneration, based off of the fact that the thief at the beginning of the pilot who was crushed was stated to have survived being flattened, and thus likely returned to a normal form afterwards, but that's a big stretch.
Curse Manipulation... for Alastor
Not sure if being a "dealmaker demon" qualifies for Curse Manipulation. It seems to be just an extension of Magic and/or Soul Manipulation, since his deals are stated to revolve around the exchanging or pawning of souls. But, if magical dealmaking is an ability under Curse Manipulation, then it can be applied.
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For the "they are not souls" Demons are actually souls which physical bodied rely on the dark energy on hell. Sinners appearance are based on their soul. This doesn't mean they get low-godly though like you said.
Basically Exterminators erase the souls that make of demons, leaving the dark energy to fuse with the fabric of Hell, until it possess objects, such is why some building have eyes.
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