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yeah Speed equalization is now so overcomplicated (instead of just an all types speed being equal)


you need to specify which type or do restriction if reaction speed or other forms are involved
I don't think you can equalize speeds other them the base movement speed. But I may be wrong

yeah Speed equalization is now so overcomplicated (instead of just an all types speed being equal)
It's mostly beacuse the "everything is equal" version opens to much space for battles that just ***** with one of the fighters by giving them a even more artificial advantage. I like how It is now
 
Thinking it over more I guess I'll vote Incon, assuming Orange can knife Akuma even though from what I saw it doesn't have any hax on it then fair enough.

Meanwhile Akuma uses his teleport and intangible move a lot and raging demon is a sure gg, he won't mess around and will go for the kill. Seems like a toss up to me
 
can someone please explain to me why orange can’t just step out of the way
The fact that people far better at fighting than orange, who spent decades fighting and knew Akuma personally and what he can do still couldn't avoid the hit should be proof enough anyhow still voting incon
 
Can someone what's been discussed so far? I'm not really in the mood for reading everything yet.
  • akuma and orange have equal ap
  • orange’s lifting strength is much higher
  • akuma is far more skilled
  • orange leads with attempting to annoy akuma which will not work
  • orange has regen and cannot be killed unless akuma uses raging demon
  • akuma and orange can both one-shot each other with raging demon and knife respectively
    • it is debatable whether or not orange can avoid the raging demon. imo he can just step out of the way and this is absolutely something he would do in-character, but others have argued that the move has been used on highly skilled characters
    • akuma can sense knife with esp and dodge it with his massive skill advantage, but knife has been shown to continue attacking should it fail to kill its target, making the battle a 2v1
  • orange has abilities which would turn the battle massively in his favor if he gets the chance to use them, such as turning akuma into a living apple with no limbs or creating 20,000,000 clones of himself
 
The fact that people far better at fighting than orange, who spent decades fighting and knew Akuma personally and what he can do still couldn't avoid the hit should be proof enough anyhow still voting incon
have they been shown to make any effort to avoid it? it seems like a result of either akuma having a speed advantage over them, or the characters coming down with a case of plot induced stupidity. there is nothing else to stop them from moving a couple feet away.
 
what stops Akuma from just doing another Demon?
nothing, but the first attack leaves him open to knife/orange’s hax. plus i doubt he’d just keep using it if it obviously isn’t working
I mean, Akuma can just spam normal teleports around and chi sensing will make it really easy to react to.
then it’s a 2v1. akuma can avoid knife, but that gives orange time to turn akuma into an apple or duplicate himself
 
I mean, Akuma can just spam normal teleports around and chi sensing will make it really easy to react to.
Nor Knife or Orange would have a Chi strongh enough to Akuma reliable use to keep track of them(As they aren't from a verse where chi is a thing, ir at least a big enough thing)
 
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Nor Knife or Orange would have a Chi strongh enough to Akuma reliable use to keep track of them(As they aren't from a verse where chi is a thing, ir at least a big enough thing)
Not to mention in Akuma profile It self says he can sense Chi/Ki but only approcimated area, and not really the exact spot It comes from
Extrasensory Perception (Able to sense ki and tell its approximate magnitude, but not its owner. Sensed Abel's troubled mind[8][9])
 
How? As said before, he only sense the chi/ki is around not It's location, not to mention Orange was aware that knife was comming before beingh chopped sinse was warned and he looked at It. Knife

And again, sinse Ki/chi was never mentioned in the DragonBall episode we can't say they even have a strongh enough to be easy to spot

If you are sauing Akuma should be able to use his hearing for exemple for It... I will look into that later
 
How? As said before, he only sense the chi/ki is around not It's location, not to mention Orange was aware that knife was comming before beingh chopped sinse was warned and he looked at It. Knife
orange had just under a second of warning, akuma has a lot longer to react if he can sense knife’s presence. he doesn’t necessarily need to know where it’s coming from, he can just look around to see it or get out of the way
And again, sinse Ki/chi was never mentioned in the DragonBall episode we can't say they even have a strongh enough to be easy to spot
he can sense troubled minds. knife is canonically incredibly distraught about being used as a murder weapon
 
he can sense troubled minds. knife is canonically incredibly distraught about being used as a murder weapon
Dosn't mean It's precise. There is no info about It beingh more precise them his Chi/Ki sense
orange had just under a second of warning, akuma has a lot longer to react if he can sense knife’s presence. he doesn’t necessarily need to know where it’s coming from, he can just look around to see it or get out of the way
Well, Knife do kill more them just orange before they can react. It was just a exemple to show It can ve comparable to Orange speed
 
Dosn't mean It's precise. There is no info about It beingh more precise them his Chi/Ki sense
doesnt matter, he can still sense something coming to attack him so he will get out of the way
Well, Knife do kill more them just orange before they can react. It was just a exemple to show It can ve comparable to Orange speed
but akuma has more time to react here, and is far more skilled than any annoying orange character
 
but akuma has more time to react here, and is far more skilled than any annoying orange characte
Agree with the second statment, But don't see how he has more time to react them others that where murdered by knife had
doesnt matter, he can still sense something coming to attack him so he will get out of the way
He will sense that there is something in the room other them orange, but not know where
 
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