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Lille is still invulerable in base due to Soul Physiology.
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Akainu vs Lille Barro
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Akainu has resistance negation which bypass invulnerability
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That wouldn't mean anything, his power works even in base. He first showed it off in his base, after opening his eyes three times he'll just keep it open.
Him not going into Vollständig doesn't change that.
Also, you aren't allowed to restrict his Vollständig anyway since it doesn't have a separate/higher tier.
The only thing you can restrict is him using Blut Vene/Arterie while he's using Sklaverei, as that is 5-C.
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Well he needs to open his eyes three times correct. Can give Akainu enough time to strike him before Lille transform
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All he has to do is open his eye 3 times when he needs to, that's a much simpler condition before Akainu could do anything
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It's impossible to hurt him since Akainu has no speed buffs on his profile.
He stands zero chance here, any attack that might reach him will fail because he'll open his eyes.
I don't see how you're expecting Akainu to hit him at all, when he becomes untouchable just by opening his eyes. He doesn't transform after opening his eyes three times, he can stay in base if he wants to and just keep his eyes open. The three times eye open thing is just a rule he invented himself to keep things "fair" for sinners.
This is a stomp.
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Yeah it's a in character move for Lille to then later close his eyes after he opens the first time. Right after that, Akainu would already near enough him just to turn him into molten flames
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Lille still needs to activate that form first right? He's on base currently
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Lille can use Blut in base.
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Yeah he needs to activate the form first (which I doubt since his first move would try shooting Akainu)
Excellence616
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All Sternritter can use Blut regardless of form
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Also, it's a very quick activation to boot. And it's not like Akainu could blitz before that's a possibility. One X-Axis shot and Akainu is dead.
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Via activation which is not his first move like against Shunsui. And one X Axis shot is not enough as Akainu can regenerate
- Regeneration (Low-High - Sakazuki's Devil Fruit allows him to regenerate from virtually any damage as long as his true body is not hit)
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" The ability to regenerate from having no solid parts of the body remaining. This can range from a puddle or drop of blood to even a single cell. For robots and machines, this can also include regenerating from a liquid state."
And what happens when bro is destroyed beyond just a puddle? Because last I checked his isn't on the upper end.
Like, man, gaps kinda insane, especially against haxy dudes and dudes with attacks that will straight vaporize dudes depending on the gap.
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The fight would be like Akainu charging in, Lille shoots, Akainu still charging in cause he can regen, Lille opens his eyes and yaps his abilities for Akainu to know, Lille closes eyes, he gets burned from the passive heat and gg
Excellence616
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Activation that is nearly instantaneous.. and don't forget that the battles fought in Bleach is a battle between Souls. So Lille is literally damaging Akainu's Soul of which he wouldn't be able to regenerate from
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Mate, it's his soul that's getting shot, I don't think Akainu can resist that. And Lille ain't dumb, if he sees someone with high ass temperatures coming at him he can activate Blut
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You have failed to explain how Akainu can regen past his limit.
Why Lille wouldn't adapt to a dude who could regen if he survived.
How he burns a dude who's heat res is over a magnitude higher (It would be like arguing if -20c could burn a dude alive).
Or the fact that literally blinking is exponentially quicker than Akainu performing any action at all. Even with speed equal, a blink is what, a 1cm action that's inherently quick? How many times do you think he can do so before Akainu even moves 1m? 20 times? 30?
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Only blut Arterie actually,sklaverei boosts AP only.(at least,on profiles atm i dunno if that's gonna change or not).
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That's bleach system. Soul is mixed with the body but Lille has to shoot his true body to actually hit his soul
Also Akainu has resistance negation which can even negate someone's resistances to temperature. So it doesn't matter if Lille can resist higher levels of heat if Akainu can negate it
- Resistance Negation (Haki can negate resistances of characters[54][16])
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No he ******* can't my dude. Man you like, REALLY gotta start using feats as opposed to reading an ability name and assuming it can do literally everything that ability has ever done in media.
Akainu is not negating an innate resistance of someone who resists something SIMPLY because it's to weak to.
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Yeah Robo you're losing this fight
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Soooo.. how can Akainu interact with Soul Physiology which has THIS?
I get that Akainu has Soul Manip resistance but Lille Baro would just.. idk.. NPI his way through his logia resistance. Like cmon dawg. Let alone his other hax in his Quincy Physiology.
This is a stomp.
- Possible Invulnerability (Souls are implied to only be able to be damaged by attacks that strike on the astral level[25], This is further implied by Jackie's statement[26])
I get that Akainu has Soul Manip resistance but Lille Baro would just.. idk.. NPI his way through his logia resistance. Like cmon dawg. Let alone his other hax in his Quincy Physiology.
This is a stomp.
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Ace did this to Whitebeard. Haki can negate natural heat resistance.
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Except Ace didn't have natural heat res, his heat res was a byproduct of a special ability
"High Resistance to Extreme Heat and Fire Manipulation (All Logias are resistant to their respective elements. Resisted the water boiling bath in Impel Down when he had no powers. Was unfazed from Akainu's heat aura),"
That doesn't scream natural resistance, it straight up says it's due to his Devil Fruit. Unless like, you're gonna argue a boiling bath is 25000c?
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No, Ace negated Whitebeard's natural resistance.Except Ace didn't have natural heat res, his heat res was a byproduct of a special ability
"High Resistance to Extreme Heat and Fire Manipulation (All Logias are resistant to their respective elements. Resisted the water boiling bath in Impel Down when he had no powers. Was unfazed from Akainu's heat aura),"
That doesn't scream natural resistance, it straight up says it's due to his Devil Fruit. Unless like, you're gonna argue a boiling bath is 25000c?
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And is his resistance even remotely comparable to Lille's? Feel like it should be obvious, but Res Neg is also subject to NLF to a degree.
Either way, sauce, that shit ain't on the profile and the Haki page cites two examples, but I can't find a readily available place that has mid chapters.
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That was like, an actual question I couldn't find it
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In the ability it says it can negate someone's resistance. Why would temperature be excluded
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Because it needs to feats to show it, christ almighty. If there hasn't been any showings of the ability being able to negate heat resistance that high, then we shouldn't say it negates it. Cause that's a big ass "No-Limits Fallacy". You can say someone can do something outside of what they have shown, just because the name of the ability can be wanked that way.
Excellence616
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You need to prove that it can negate flames as hot as Yama's flames
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That only works if the other character has resistance to resist negation. You are NLFing the NLF
Excellence616
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That's not how resistance work. Resistance work based on potency. If i can negate heat that doesn't mean i can resist the full heat of the sun. I have to show that my resistance is on that level.
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Wouldn't by that logic Lille Barro cannot dura neg someone who's durability higher than the character he pierced previously?
Excellence616
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Because when it comes to Lille's dura neg, it bypass the concept of dodging and also has to do with Space. Unless you can counter things on Lille's level of dura neg, then there is nothing Akainu can do.
and mind you why it is called Durability negation is that even if you are durable you would still get hurt.
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Depends how the dura neg works. Like spatial manip ain't gonna give a shit, but something like, that weird fucky bug virus stand from part 8 wouldn't be able to after a certain point.
Not all duraneg built the same. Like conceptual void EE manip is obv gonna be way better duraneg than say, idk, a zap of electricity.
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Really? I don't see it being specified as space related. If you are saying Lille can dura neg anyone because his ability is called Dura neg, then Akainu can resist neg anyone as it's in the ability name
Excellence616
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It's on Lille profile. His Durability negation also includes Space manipulation.
And it's not by the name since durability can be negated through multiple means. Lille own is through space
