Additional Kurumi feats for VSBW

[Roadkillx]

Those are physical attacks, not haxes.

Enduring physical attacks --> feat is listed in Durability

Unaffected by hax/powers --> feat is listed as Resistance in the Powers and Abilities

I never said anything about haxes, your the one who brought that topic

Also those are the ability to withstand

And your incorrect, simply because Mana never used a physical weapon infact physical weapons are never used to fight spirits as they have 0 effect

It depends on the kind of Hax, Zaphkiel's guns just had the ability to nullify conceptual level attacks

It's not called resistance, because she blocked the ability, resistance would mean she wouldn't need to block it

 

[Roadkillx]

Even if it's passive it is added in the resistance section, as long as attack is done by hax, and there is no way to calculate that attack like space-time.

Blocking something is active not passive, passive are for abilities like barriers/shields

Blocking is also not Hax, as Hax is an offensive ability, not defensive

 

[Roadkillx]

Why?

Because she had to actively block it, resistance would mean passive which means it gets negated even if you don't block

 

[Roadkillx]

I mean the blog, where it is? And also speed.

Look at this profile. You can either make separate tabler or write it in the same one.

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This is the blog

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[Godsatoshi23]

depends on the kind of Hax, Zaphkiel's guns just had the ability to nullify conceptual level attacks

If the gun has the ability to nullify then it's simply power null, not even durability.

It's not called resistance, because she blocked the ability, resistance would mean she wouldn't need to block it

It is resistence. As long the attack is hax. Blocking the attacks means same as resisting it.

Blocking something is active not passive, passive are for abilities like barriers/shields

Blocking is also not Hax, as Hax is an offensive ability, not defensive

Kurumi resisted Space-Time hax affecting her, this shouldn't be categorized as durability, which typically applies to attacks measured in joules or other energy units.

 

[Godsatoshi23]

This is the blog

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Ap seems fine then. What about speed calculation?

Edit: It seems it is accepted as country level.

 

[Fezzih_007]

This is the blog

A Giant Explosion - Date A Live

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The blog accepted the calc as country level+, not continental trought.

 

[Roadkillx]

The blog accepted the calc as country level+, not continental trought.

You haven't seen the final calculation didn't you? It said multi continental level

 

[Roadkillx]

If the gun has the ability to nullify then it's simply power null, not even durability.

It is resistence. As long the attack is hax. Blocking the attacks means same as resisting it.

Kurumi resisted Space-Time hax affecting her, this shouldn't be categorized as durability, which typically applies to attacks measured in joules or other energy units.

Then it means the next time you get hit by the same attack without blocking it and you take damage it cannot be called resistance

And she has a different power nullification feat

Also they are not the same as you can block something and it still takes effect, what if you don't block? So therefore, It cannot be called resistance

And I said other durability feats are also there which has nothing to do with joules

 

[Roadkillx]

Ap seems fine then. What about speed calculation?

Edit: It seems it is accepted as country level.

Correction: Multi-Continental

As for speed feat she teleported behind queen instantly, the speed cannot be calculated

 

[Godsatoshi23]

Then it means the next time you get hit by the same attack without blocking it and you take damage it cannot be called resistance

If that's happens, then it's not durability nor resistance(if it happens through Hax)

And she has a different power nullification feat

Just because one ability function has power null doesn't mean other abilities shouldn't have same function.

 

[Godsatoshi23]

Correction: Multi-Continental

No. It's country level. There is Multi-Continental calculation there, but it wasn't accepted. Only country level is accepted.

As for speed feat she teleported behind queen instantly, the speed cannot be calculated

That's not enough for MFTL+.

 

[Roadkillx]

If the gun has the ability to nullify then it's simply power null, not even durability.

It is resistence. As long the attack is hax. Blocking the attacks means same as resisting it.

Kurumi resisted Space-Time hax affecting her, this shouldn't be categorized as durability, which typically applies to attacks measured in joules or other energy units.

If that's happens, then it's not durability nor resistance.

Just because one ability function has power null doesn't mean other abilities shouldn't have same function.

Then explain why they showed that Kurumi could withstand attacks from Mana which is not conceptual nor physical?

Same way Kurumi could withstand attacks from White Queen

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1210037511414349845/1229818986997485730/image0.jpg?ex=6631112f&is=661e9c2f&hm=72b88a9eb7eb865e3a662b6649a48fe4b477d64cdd7539326521d8dd5f314d04&

 

[Roadkillx]

No. It's country level. There is Multi-Continental calculation there, but it wasn't accepted. Only country level is accepted.

That's not enough for MFTL+.

That's what other people's opinions were, but those were the calculations and the Multi-Continental was the final one

Then give an example of MFTL+ as Kurumi controls all laws of time

 

[Fezzih_007]

You haven't seen the final calculation didn't you? It said multi continental level

I think you confused, because the calculation that was accepted is for Country level.

The final calculation don't matter much, since It not accepted.

 

[Arkenis]

Can there be a rule for putting new additions to profiles first in a sandbox to display it better for everyone

 

[Godsatoshi23]

Then explain why they showed that Kurumi could withstand attacks from Mana which is not conceptual nor physical?

Same way Kurumi could withstand attacks from White Queen

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1210037511414349845/1229818986997485730/image0.jpg?ex=6631112f&is=661e9c2f&hm=72b88a9eb7eb865e3a662b6649a48fe4b477d64cdd7539326521d8dd5f314d04&

The matter here is white Queen attack is done through hax, especially space-time. How can you add something to durability, which doesn't have an energy unit?

For further check here.

Durability

Durability is the property which guarantees the ability to withstand a certain amount of force. Withstanding force consists of the measurement of the severity of damage from attacks. This is not to be confused with endurance; while durability is the ability to withstand damage, endurance is a...

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Resistance

Resistance is the power to withstand the effects of certain abilities through varying means. The highest degree of resistance is outright Immunity, supposedly making the user in question completely unaffected by such abilities. Of course, simple resistance to one showing of an ability isn't...

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As for mana, her attack are physical not hax.

 

[Roadkillx]

I think you confused, because the calculation that was accepted is for Country level.

The final calculation don't matter much, since It not accepted.

That was Ugarik's method

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[Fezzih_007]

Can there be a rule for putting new additions to profiles first in a sandbox to display it better for everyone

I don't think It would be much difference, the problem is how people present they CRT.

 

[Godsatoshi23]

That's what other people's opinions were, but those were the calculations and the Multi-Continental was the final one

It doesn't matter which is the final one. The one which is accepted, we consider that.

Then give an example of MFTL+ as Kurumi controls all laws of time

How could I give an example of MFTL+ feat, when she never done only?

 

[Roadkillx]

The matter here is white Queen attack is done through hax, especially space-time. How can you add something to durability, which doesn't have an energy unit?

For further check here.

Durability

Durability is the property which guarantees the ability to withstand a certain amount of force. Withstanding force consists of the measurement of the severity of damage from attacks. This is not to be confused with endurance; while durability is the ability to withstand damage, endurance is a...

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Resistance

Resistance is the power to withstand the effects of certain abilities through varying means. The highest degree of resistance is outright Immunity, supposedly making the user in question completely unaffected by such abilities. Of course, simple resistance to one showing of an ability isn't...

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As for mana, her attack are physical not hax.

Clearly resistance was stated to be immune to something, Kurumi used Zaphkiel to block it so there's no way it fits for that sort

Mana uses Maryoku, which is a dense magical weapon the AST's/DEM uses to fight the spirits

 

[Fezzih_007]

That was Ugarik's method

So?

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I know about this Calculation, but It as not accepted as the level of destruction, It was the country level one.

 

[Roadkillx]

So?

I know about this Calculation, but It as not accepted as the level of destruction, It was the country level one.

Accepted by whom?

 

[Roadkillx]

It doesn't matter which is the final one. The one which is accepted, we consider that.

How could I give an example of MFTL+ feat, when she never done only?

?

The LN clearly showed Instantaneously didn't they? And the author said instant many times for Kurumi's speed

 

[Godsatoshi23]

Clearly resistance was stated to be immune to something, Kurumi used Zaphkiel to block it so there's no way it fits for that sort

Resistance doesn't equate to immunity. If she used Zaphkiel to block the attack and can't produce the same result again, against the same attack, then it's means that the hax is layered but in this case it's neither resistance nor durability.

Mana uses Maryoku, which is a dense magical weapon the AST's/DEM uses to fight the spirits

Magical attacks can be used for durability, if it produces some sort of energy that can be calculated.

 

[Godsatoshi23]

?

The LN clearly showed Instantaneously didn't they? And the author said instant many times for Kurumi's speed

Instantaneously doesn't mean MFTL+, just very fast. You can be subsonic and can still produce instantaneous attacks.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Accepted by whom?

From the members of the Calc Team, who call the shot when deciding about If a calculation is correct or not.

They are the ones who decide.

 

[Roadkillx]

Resistance doesn't equate to immunity. If she used Zaphkiel to block the attack and can't produce the same result again, against the same attack, then it's means that the hax is layered but in this case it's neither resistance nor durability.

Magical attacks can be used for durability, if it produces some sort of energy that can be calculated.

It's her angel so if she blocks and nullifies the attack it would be considered defence, i.e durability (Conceptual level for blocking a conceptual attack)

Also the information you showed recently said to have resistance you must be immune to something

Also not everything can be calculated, all you can do is scale them

 

[Roadkillx]

Instantaneously doesn't mean MFTL+, just very fast. You can be subsonic and can still produce instantaneous attacks.

No, the author used a different term for very fast speeds such as moving faster than their eyesight, and only afterimages can be seen

Instantaneous and instant speeds are immeasurable, you should know this...

And stop using subsonic as an example, to be instantaneous you should atleast be moving faster than light over hundreds - thousands of times

I also meant movement speeds not attack speed

 

[Roadkillx]

Instantaneously doesn't mean MFTL+, just very fast. You can be subsonic and can still produce instantaneous attacks.

From the members of the Calc Team, who call the shot when deciding about If a calculation is correct or not.

They are the ones who decide.

Well, based on observation the spacequake has covered several continents and their sizes vary

 

[Fezzih_007]

Instantaneous and instant speeds are immeasurable, you should know this...

They actually would just bê Infinite speed.

 

[Shadowbeast]

(Kurumi can summon spacequakes at will which can cover continents and erase everything in it's radius)

Disagree, Kurumi's spacequakes don't cover such a huge areas, it is Mio's ones that covers continental areas. Are you combining two feats from different characters with the intention of upgrading one? this huge feat does not belong to Kurumi, it's a feat from Mio, we've never seen the spacequakes of Kurumi cover such a large areas.

Could "Instantaneously" dodge White Queen's attack at close range, appearing behind her in an instant

How is that MFTL+? you can move instantly and appear as a figure and still have subsonic speed. No calculations, nothing, just saying that this feat MFTL+ is incoherent OP.

Resistance to information analysis

I'll stay neutral here.

Power nullification

Agree on that.

All physical damage dealt to Kurumi will be nullified

The scan that you provided is Kurumi's astral dress protecting her from injures, it doesn't say anywhere what you're proposing and astral dresses don't nullify all physical damage, they can even break if they receive a very strong beating.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Well, based on observation the spacequake has covered several continents and their sizes vary

So?

 

[SlendVeny]

Disagree with the tier upgrades.

 

[Shiraito983]

sigh this becomes very chaotic. at least try to familiarize yourself on scaling first before making CRT

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Replying directly to the OP, if people could provide me with a summary of anything after that, I'd appreciate it.

Attack Potency: At least "Continental level+"

This requires a calculation. You don't necessarily have to create it, but you do need a calculation for any proposed feat not covered by our References for Common Feats page. You can't just decide it is Continent level.

Speed: At least "MFTL+"

Dodging an attack, even with the word "instantaneously", is most definitely not MFTL+ on its own. If you took the word literally (the wiki has never done this), it's Infinite. But since, as mentioned, we don't do that, we tend to default to a 1-second timeframe: this is probably Subsonic at best, depending on the distance covered.

Durability: At least "Conceptual level"

Being struck with conceptual attacks is not a measure of durability. We don't have anything called 'Conceptual level': this would be considered a resistance to hax, specifically Concept Manipulation. However...

(Could block an attack from Queen which eats space and time)

...this isn't Conceptual Manipulation. This is Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation.

Power nullification

This seems more akin to Statistics Reduction, without further context.

Physical damage resistance
(All physical damage dealt to Kurumi will be nullified)

Is there some quote that describes it as such? We're already dealing with a superhuman entity, and all they're being hit with are mundane firearms. Not taking damage from them is the assumed result.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Replying directly to the OP, if people could provide me with a summary of anything after that, I'd appreciate it.

Well, Kurumi also don't actually scale to that Continental Level destruction feat, only Mio can do It.

Attack Potency: At least "Continental level+"

 

[Roadkillx]

Disagree, Kurumi's spacequakes don't cover such a huge areas, it is Mio's ones that covers continental areas. Are you combining two feats from different characters with the intention of upgrading one? this huge feat does not belong to Kurumi, it's a feat from Mio, we've never seen the spacequakes of Kurumi cover such a large areas.

How is that MFTL+? you can move instantly and appear as a figure and still have subsonic speed. No calculations, nothing, just saying that this feat MFTL+ is incoherent OP.

I'll stay neutral here.

Agree on that.

The scan that you provided is Kurumi's astral dress protecting her from injures, it doesn't say anywhere what you're proposing and astral dresses don't nullify all physical damage, they can even break if they receive a very strong beating.

Kurumi's spacequake got interrupted before fully expanding, so it didn't go maximum range, Kurumi also has the highest amount of Reiryoku among the spirits (Excluding Mio) and is stated many times to be the strongest angel

Kurumi moved instantly, and there were no signs of her movement (Not even after images) through any space, so it was instant/infinite speed, and based on what you've shown, she has instant reaction speed which is still speed, she also has the ability to teleport to locations instantly which is another Instantaneous speed feat

If you say astral dresses don't nullify some physical damage then state which ones were not nullified, as the realizer device and Maryoku energy are clearly not physical

Using Sandalphon is a terrible example as Reiryoku (Divine energy) is not physical, there's nothing which as ever phased astral dresses which are physical, infact normal logic doesn't affect them

Additionally spirits also have the ability to constantly repair their astral dresses

 

[Roadkillx]

So?

What I'm saying is that it's not 100% accurate

 

[Roadkillx]

Replying directly to the OP, if people could provide me with a summary of anything after that, I'd appreciate it.


This requires a calculation. You don't necessarily have to create it, but you do need a calculation for any proposed feat not covered by our References for Common Feats page. You can't just decide it is Continent level.


Dodging an attack, even with the word "instantaneously", is most definitely not MFTL+ on its own. If you took the word literally (the wiki has never done this), it's Infinite. But since, as mentioned, we don't do that, we tend to default to a 1-second timeframe: this is probably Subsonic at best, depending on the distance covered.


Being struck with conceptual attacks is not a measure of durability. We don't have anything called 'Conceptual level': this would be considered a resistance to hax, specifically Concept Manipulation. However...


...this isn't Conceptual Manipulation. This is Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation.


This seems more akin to Statistics Reduction, without further context.


Is there some quote that describes it as such? We're already dealing with a superhuman entity, and all they're being hit with are mundane firearms. Not taking damage from them is the assumed result.

1) I never decided it, I showed several different scans of the spacequake and ranges

2) There is no 1 second time frame she disappeared in an instant, you can't see whether she went left or right, also normal speed doesn't accelerate instantly as speed accelerates, so in order to do this it has to be infinite and there are many scans proving this

3) Power nullification would sound better, but it's a withstanding feat, which shows what level of attack a character can withstand

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4) It is conceptual manipulation, why? Because it erases time and space which are concepts including reality which is also a concept, anything attack/ability which interferes with concepts is a conceptual ability

5) Statistics reduction? There has never been a situation in DAL where spirits had ever been affected by physical weapons or objects, they also don't follow logic, such as not having the new to eat, sleep, breathe (Can survive in outer space normally) and they have subjective reality by being able to change their situation at will

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