Additional Kurumi feats for VSBW

[Roadkillx]

It just resistance again

Yes, they both have resistance to time manipulation but destroying space, time, and reality is another thing

 

[NatzuX]

Yes, they both have resistance to time manipulation but destroying space, time, and reality is another thing

Yeah, she could get space-time manipulation but not rw

 

[Roadkillx]

I think she resistance to space-time manipulation & void manipulation rather (scale from sawa/white queen abilities).

She had to block the ability though

 

[Roadkillx]

Yeah, she could get space-time manipulation but not rw

Someone recently proved that she uses space-time manipulation, you can also check the "Zaphkiel Compilation" video if you don't believe me, that space appeared when Kurumi summoned Zaphkiel

 

[Shiraito983]

wiki itself isn't a reliable source. what you need is the direct source from the novel itself

You can check White Queen's abilities on wiki (Especially DAL wiki) and they will show you the abilities of Leo that it eats space and time (DAB also stated that Zaphkiel and Lucifugus are similar and also has time manipulation) and leaves only a white space where nothing exists, and anything which makes contact with that space gets annihilated instantly

and don't spam your reply

also, it's a large country, possibly a continent-level. Based on this approved calc. I think this is good already since she only high 7-A

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[Catpija]

Attack Potency: At least "Continental level+"
(Kurumi can summon spacequakes at will which can cover continents and erase everything in it's radius)

Except its not Kurumi's...its Mio's. Kurumi's Spacequake at best only cover tens of kilometer.

Speed: At least "MFTL+"

(Could "Instantaneously" dodge White Queen's attack at close range, appearing behind her in an instant)

Nu uh, thats only FTL.

Durability: At least "Conceptual level"
(Could block an attack from Queen which eats space and time)

Durability doesn't work like that, it would only be resistance to space/time hax.

The rest is fine

 

[Omazio2019]

Leo Bullet can shred/delete space though its affect to time is unclear

wiki itself isn't a reliable source. what you need is the direct source from the novel itself

 

[NatzuX]

Someone recently proved that she uses space-time manipulation, you can also check the "Zaphkiel Compilation" video if you don't believe me, that space appeared when Kurumi summoned Zaphkiel

I know, and why should I doubt it when she's my waifu? Also I followed this verse with both DAL & DAB.

 

[Fezzih_007]

First of all, Instantaneous means instant it's what the word means, and it's can also be used for immeasurable speed

Again, that is flowery lenguage, a bunch of writers uses to describe a character moving super fast with instant.

Secondly, the destruction level is clearly shown on the GIF, to how much the spacequake expands to (As spacequakes are phenomenons which are like a mix of a blackhole and an explosion)

Yes? I i can see that.
I asking for you to say what the level of power that would be.

Search for "Zaphkiel compilation" on YouTube and you'll see the speed feat

Yeah, i din't find It.
If you mean when she stop time, that's not a speed feat.

And I showed a scan from the LN proving it can, that it erased everything where it happened...

Yeah, spartial Manipulation can do that, as i said

VSBW also said that it takes you beyond space and time, but I scaled the destruction level as it is not in the attack potency section

That's just hax, not attack potency.

It was clearly shown in the DAB clip that she can do both, space also appears when she used Zaphkiel which proves she manipulates space-time

I never said she can't manipulated, i saying you don't provide the evidence that she destroyed Time along with space.

Both DAB and wiki stated that White Queen can destroy the entire Neighbouring World dimension so she limited her power apparently to avoid completely destroying the building which she's in

Sure?

Time is a concept and I stated she controls both time and space, but not to the degree of Lucifugus, and I told you the video

Again, time by itself is not a concept, unless you have any more statements of that being the case.

The scan provide you provide makes 0 mentiosn of she afecting concepts. Even If she can erase space, that's not Concept Manipulation, since she is just affecting a small part of reality.

 

[Roadkillx]

wiki itself isn't a reliable source. what you need is the direct source from the novel itself

and don't spam your reply

also, it's a large country, possibly a continent-level. Based on this approved calc. I think this is good already since she only high 7-A

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She scales higher than 7-A due to concept erasure and and several other factors but I'm covering feats this time

 

[Roadkillx]

Except its not Kurumi's...its Mio's. Kurumi's Spacequake at best only cover tens of kilometer.


Nu uh, thats only FTL.


Durability doesn't work like that, it would only be resistance to space/time hax.

The rest is fine

No, Kurumi has the most Reiryoku out of all the spirits, (Equivalent to Mio) and the spacequake used would atleast be similar to the one showed there, and how can a calamity cover only a couple kilometres? How does that make sense?

Not FTL, MFTL+ she moves Instantaneously, both the scan and the view clip proved it

Durability is the ability to withstand certain attacks without faltering, you can block something and still die despite blocking it, but instead she nullified the ability completely

 

[Roadkillx]

Leo Bullet can shred/delete space though its affect to time is unclear

It shaves away space and reality leaving only a white space, and anything which comes in contact with it gets instantly destroyed regardless of what it is, they also stated that Zaphkiel and Lucifugus are similar which also means that Lucifugus also controls time

 

[Roadkillx]

I know, and why should I doubt it when she's my waifu? Also I followed this verse with both DAL & DAB.

So you agree?

 

[Roadkillx]

Again, that is flowery lenguage, a bunch of writers uses to describe a character moving super fast with instant.

Yes? I i can see that.
I asking for you to say what the level of power that would be.

Yeah, i din't find It.
If you mean when she stop time, that's not a speed feat.

Yeah, spartial Manipulation can do that, as i said

That's just hax, not attack potency.

I never said she can't manipulated, i saying you don't provide the evidence that she destroyed Time along with space.

Sure?

Again, time by itself is not a concept, unless you have any more statements of that being the case.

The scan provide you provide makes 0 mentiosn of she afecting concepts. Even If she can erase space, that's not Concept Manipulation, since she is just affecting a small part of reality.

They never said instantly they say Instantaneously, which is basically the same as instant, which is immeasurable speed, it's also proven in the series

I said the destruction level is continental and it erases everything in it's radius beyond time and space, isn't that also on VSBW?

Wdym you couldn't find the video?

Now you have no excuses for immeasurable speed


I never said it wasn't a spatial kind of ability


The attack potency is the speed and radius of the attack


Fine then, I'll show another scan


I wasn't unsure

If you think time isn't a concept... https://www.google.com/search?q=is+...msung-ga-rev1&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

The second scan clearly stated it erases space, reality (And distorting reality is a 4D concept, due to the bending of space-time)

And in the LN most of the space and reality in the area got erased...

 

[Fezzih_007]

They never said instantly they say Instantaneously, which is basically the same as instant, which is immeasurable speed, it's also proven in the series

Nitpicking my words
Again, saying a character moved instantaneously is not immesurable speed, not only the word used can be flowery lenguage, you would need more proof that what she did was immerasuble speed.

I said the destruction level is continental and it erases everything in it's radius beyond time and space, isn't that also on VSBW?

Yeah, you said is continental, but you need say what level of power that is.
Like, how many teratons of TNT It is.

Wdym you couldn't find the video?

I did, i din't find anything in the video that is immerasuble speed trought.

If you think time isn't a concept...

I not saying time is not concept, i saying you don't provide the evidence that she is affecting the concept of time or space.
Because just affecting Time and Space on its own is not ground to say is Conceptual Manipulation.

The second scan clearly stated it erases space, reality (And distorting reality is a 4D concept, due to the bending of space-time)

Is this wiki, is not no. Is not in this Wiki atleast.
Saying is 4D, you gonna more proof than that.

 

[Roadkillx]

Nitpicking my words
Again, saying a character moved instantaneously is not immesurable speed, not only the word used can be flowery lenguage, you would need more proof that what she did was immerasuble speed.


Yeah, you said is continental, but you need say what level of power that is.
Like, how many teratons of TNT It is.


I did, i din't find anything in the video that is immerasuble speed trought.



I not saying time is not concept, i saying you don't provide the evidence that she is affecting the concept of time or space.
Because just affecting Time and Space on its own is not ground to say is Conceptual Manipulation.



Is this wiki, is not no. Is not in this Wiki atleast.
Saying is 4D, you gonna more proof than that.

I already gave you proof, but first did you read the second scan? And the video I sent you, didn't you see when Kurumi disappeared instantly after she used Aleph?

And I said I'm not Death Battle, no one else is asking for that so why are you? You should ask them as they are explosion scientists

You are changing your words, and conceptual meaning the ability to affect concepts, space-time is a concept, reality is a concept and existence is also a concept and it has the ability to erase them

Ok

1) https://www.google.com/search?q=wha...JIHBTIuNC4yoAfEGQ&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp

2) https://www.google.com/search?q=is+...AYIkgcDMS4yoAevDQ&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp

 

[Godsatoshi23]

Attack Potency: At least "Continental level+"
(Kurumi can summon spacequakes at will which can cover continents and erase everything in it's radius)

Speed: At least "MFTL+"

(Could "Instantaneously" dodge White Queen's attack at close range, appearing behind her in an instant)

Need approved calculations.

Durability: At least "Conceptual level"
(Could block an attack from Queen which eats space and time)

There is no such thing as conceptual level durability in this wiki. It's should be moved to resistance, also effecting space-time doesn't equal to effecting concept of Space-Time. So only resistance to Space-Time.

Resistance to information analysis
(The Neighbouring World system couldn't identify Kurumi's statistics when she entered the world)

Neutral on this.

Power nullification

(Zaphkiel has the ability to weaken opponents and reduce their combat capabilities)

Agree.

 

[Roadkillx]

Need approved calculations.

There is no such thing as conceptual level durability in this wiki. It's should be moved to resistance, also effecting space-time doesn't equal to effecting concept of Space-Time. So only resistance to Space-Time.

Neutral on this.

Agree.

Someone else approved it

It's just like how you would say city level durability to withstand certain things, conceptual level because she could withstand a concept level attack, also there's no resistance section in Kurumi VSBW only a durability section

The Neighbouring World's system couldn't identify Kurumi's abilities

 

[Godsatoshi23]

Someone else approved it

Link?

It's just like how you would say city level durability to withstand certain things, conceptual level because she could withstand a concept level attack, also there's no resistance section in Kurumi VSBW only a Durability section

Well that's not how this wiki works. There is no profile in this wiki says conceptual level durability, even if they withstand a conceptual attack it just moved to resistance section. If there is no resistance section then add it.

The Neighbouring World's system couldn't identify Kurumi's abilities

I misread the last part. I agree with resistance to information analysis.

 

[Fezzih_007]

I already gave you proof,

The proof you have me is lacking, as i said above, you need more.

but first did you read the second scan

What second Scan? You only posted one scan saying she can move "Instantaneously", which is not nearly enough to say is immerasuble speed.

And I said I'm not Death Battle, no one else is asking for that so why are you? You should ask them as they are explosion scientists

You claiming that she can destroy a continent, so you also need proof on how much energy that power is generating to be accepted. If not, we can't accept she is continental.
And people are actually asking to do so.

Again, you can ask someone to do the calculation for you.

You are changing your words

I not.

and conceptual meaning the ability to affect concepts, space-time is a concept, reality is a concept and existence is also a concept and it has the ability to erase them

Again, on this wiki, affecting Time and Space is not affecting the concept of time and Space, and you Scan don't mention anything about Kurumi erasing concepts.

Erasing space is not Conceptual Manipulation, is just spartial manipulation.

 

[Catpija]

No, Kurumi has the most Reiryoku out of all the spirits, (Equivalent to Mio) and the spacequake used would atleast be similar to the one showed there, and how can a calamity cover only a couple kilometres? How does that make sense?

Is that supposed to be a joke? If it is, I'm not laughing. Mio literally stated to have 999 reiryoku while Kurumi is barely 220.

The spacequake you shown is literally Mio's and not Kurumi's.

Wdym with "how can a calamity cover only a couple kilometres? How does that make sense?"? Do you genuinely not read the series? How do you expect people to survive from a literal space explosion reaching kilometers which can randomly appear?

Not FTL, MFTL+ she moves Instantaneously, both the scan and the view clip proved it

You could still move instantaneously and be Subsonic too.

Durability is the ability to withstand certain attacks without faltering, you can block something and still die despite blocking it, but instead she nullified the ability completely

Durability in this wiki is measured in terms of energy/Joule.

Tanking a hax wouldn't be a durability feat but rather resistance.

 

[Roadkillx]

Someone else approved it

It's just like how you would say city level durability to withstand certain things, conceptual level because she could withstand a concept level attack, also there's no resistance section in Kurumi VSBW only a Durability section

The Neighbouring World's system couldn't identify Kurumi's abilities

Link?

Well that's not how this wiki works. There is no profile in this wiki says conceptual level durability, even if they withstand a conceptual attack it just moved to resistance section. If there is no resistance section then add it.

I misread the last part. I agree with resistance to information analysis.

They approved it here

And you cannot modify VSBW without their permission, so that section cannot be added

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

They approved it here

And you cannot modify VSBW without their permission, so that section cannot be added

Resistances go in the "Powers and Abilities" section. Literally look at any profile with listed resistances and you'll see they are in the Powers and Abilities section.

Even Kurumi's own profile has her resistances listed in her P&A right at the end of it

 

[Roadkillx]

The proof you have me is lacking, as i said above, you need more.


What second Scan? You only posted one scan saying she can move "Instantaneously", which is not nearly enough to say is immerasuble speed.

You claiming that she can destroy a continent, so you also need proof on how much energy that power is generating to be accepted. If not, we can't accept she is continental.
And people are actually asking to do so.

Again, you can ask someone to do the calculation for you.


I not.


Again, on this wiki, affecting Time and Space is not affecting the concept of time and Space, and you Scan don't mention anything about Kurumi erasing concepts.

Erasing space is not Conceptual Manipulation, is just spartial manipulation.

Nonsense, I posted another scan along with it, and I also updated it recently and added 2 more

Find out what the word Instantaneous means then we can discuss this

I gave you proof of pic and video from DAL directly, that should be enough

They are not interested in calculating something unnecessary

You did

Well, maybe you don't know what are concepts, so apparently you misunderstand space-time and reality not being a concept, even with proof

 

[NatzuX]

No, Kurumi has the most Reiryoku out of all the spirits, (Equivalent to Mio)

huh?

 

[Roadkillx]

Someone else approved it

It's just like how you would say city level durability to withstand certain things, conceptual level because she could withstand a concept level attack, also there's no resistance section in Kurumi VSBW only a Durability section

The Neighbouring World's system couldn't identify Kurumi's abilities

Is that supposed to be a joke? If it is, I'm not laughing. Mio literally stated to have 999 reiryoku while Kurumi is barely 220.

The spacequake you shown is literally Mio's and not Kurumi's.

Wdym with "how can a calamity cover only a couple kilometres? How does that make sense?"? Do you genuinely not read the series? How do you expect people to survive from a literal space explosion reaching kilometers which can randomly appear?



You could still move instantaneously and be Subsonic too.


Durability in this wiki is measured in terms of energy/Joule.

Tanking a hax wouldn't be a durability feat but rather resistance.

The spacequake Mio used happened globally, it doesn't necessarily determine the size of the calamity, and Kurumi has enough spirit power to make such a calamity as she could summon a spacequake even when low on Reiryoku, and after defeating the other spirits

And Mio was stated to have 999 Reiryoku because she's the spirit of origin, that still doesn't change the fact that Kurumi still has an enormous amount of Reiryoku and time

Prove that, any speed which travels normally cannot be called Instantaneous, you can use time stop as an example

No, one of the feats they mentioned were how Kurumi could withstand blows from Mana which wasn't even a blast, it's similar how Kurumi could tank a conceptual ability from White Queen

And again, there's no resistance section in VSBW

 

[Roadkillx]

huh?

It's true that Kurumi has the most Reiryoku among the spirits, (Mio being an exception) summoning spacequakes even on low Reiryoku defeating the other spirits and even could've killed Kotori

 

[Godsatoshi23]

They approved it here

Who? It should be accepted by calculation member.

And you cannot modify VSBW without their permission, so that section cannot be added

There is nothing to add. Resistance page alredy exist in Vs wiki. Just add it to the profile if it's not there.

 

[Roadkillx]

Resistances go in the "Powers and Abilities" section. Literally look at any profile with listed resistances and you'll see they are in the Powers and Abilities section.

Even Kurumi's own profile has her resistances listed in her P&A right at the end of it

I went there, and I didn't find what you said, all I see is in the powers and stats section is physical characteristics being first which has nothing to do with withstanding a conceptual attack

And I don't see any P&A either

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

I went there, and I didn't find what you said, all I see is in the powers and stats section is physical characteristics being first which has nothing to do with withstanding a conceptual attack

And I don't see any P&A either

Literally on Kurumi's profile.

 

[Roadkillx]

Who? It should be accepted by calculation member.

There is nothing to add. Resistance page alredy exist in Vs wiki. Just add it to the profile if it's not there.

He showed spacequake blast scan proving that it is continental

And resistance is passive, Kurumi blocked the attack

 

[Roadkillx]

Buy glasses. Literally on Kurumi's profile.

That is not even a section that's a mind control resistance feat, we know it's resistance because she automatically negates it, Kurumi tanking White Queens <Arie> was not automatic

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

That is not even a section that's a mind control resistance feat, we know it's resistance because she automatically negates it, Kurumi tanking White Queens <Arie> was not automatic

The point is: Resistances have to be listed there, not in durability.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Nonsense, I posted another scan along with it, and I also updated it recently and added 2 more

Yeah, the scan you provide is not enough for immerasuble speed.

Find out what the word Instantaneous means then we can discuss this

I did, again, having immerasuble speed would need way more proof, than just the word instantaneous for to be accepted. Because, Instantaneous is either just Infinite speed, or just a way of saying the character moved super fast, but not nescessary they are movie at infinite levels of speed.

I gave you proof of pic

Which as i already explained, is not good proof.

and video from DAL directly, that should be enough

You gave me a 4 minutes vídeo, and din't provide me the timestamp to what time of the video the supposed immerasuble speed feat occurs.

If you talking about the moment where Kurumi is telerporting around to beat up Mana, that's her just time stop, that's not immerasuble speed.

They are not interested in calculating something unnecessary

It is nescessary, and you din't even ask so you can't even say that as true fact lol.

You did

Yeah sure did

Well, maybe you don't know what are concepts, so apparently you misunderstand space-time and reality not being a concept, even with proof

I not sure If i not explaining properly, i gonna make simple than.
So there's ways to affect time and Space.

1- You just affect time and Space
2- You affect the concept of time and Space

The Scan you provide just say she affect Space, not the concept of one.

 

[Roadkillx]

Buy glasses. Literally on Kurumi's profile.

Buy glasses

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[Godsatoshi23]

He showed spacequake blast scan proving that it is continental

I mean the blog, where it is? And also speed.

And where is that resistance page?

Look at this profile. You can either make separate tabler or write it in the same one.

Alus Reigin

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[Roadkillx]

The point is: Resistances have to be listed there, not in durability.

And the point is that it's not a resistance

 

[Fezzih_007]

And the point is that it's not a resistance

Why?

 

[Godsatoshi23]

And resistance is passive, Kurumi blocked the attack

Even if it's passive it is added in the resistance section, as long as attack is done by hax, and there is no way to calculate that attack like space-time.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Buy glasses

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Those are physical attacks, not haxes.

Enduring physical attacks --> feat is listed in Durability

Unaffected by hax/powers --> feat is listed as Resistance in the Powers and Abilities